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Black Lives Matter demos and protests UK, 2020-2021

ddraig said:
If you are so certain, you'll answer this rather than post youtube clips, or consider leaving it out
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If you want to know for sure that violent crime is far worse today than it was in the 1950s then go out and ask young people themselves! Then go out and ask pensioners about how bad violent crime was in their youth! And ask questions like: "Were their post code wars even a few decades ago?" And "How many people do you know who have been stabbed, shot, or killed?" And a good place to start doing research would be somewhere like Brixton.
 
Waterwheel said:
Why does everyone have to blame poverty for gang violence? There has always been poverty and many of the young people involved in street gangs today are not poor as they own cars etc. And most poor people do not become gang members. Older people will remember just how much poverty there was in Britain in the 1950s but there was very little gang violence or violent crime then. Would you also say that football violence was caused by poverty? Football violence increased throughout the country as poverty fell!
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Violence is abhorrent. That said, your nonsensical posts deserve violent ridicule.

So, fuck you, you absolute plank.
 
Waterwheel said:
Of course violent youth crime is far worse now in Britain than it was in the 1950s:
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That above chart is interesting but it does not show the total number of knife crimes. Or take into the fact that medical technology has improved a lot over the past 43 years. So that many more people survive knife attacks. It would be good to see a chart should the number of knife and gun crime offences reported each year from the 1950s to the present. I am sure that such a chart would should a massive increase in recorded gun and knife crimes. And how come our prisons are now full to bursting despite much shorter sentences today than in the 1950s?
 
Waterwheel said:
If you want to know for sure that violent crime is far worse today than it was in the 1950s then go out and ask young people themselves! Then go out and ask pensioners about how bad violent crime was in their youth! And ask questions like: "Were their post code wars even a few decades ago?" And "How many people do you know who have been stabbed, shot, or killed?" And a good place to start doing research would be somewhere like Brixton.
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Anyone from anywhere even remotely near Brixton on here?
 
Waterwheel said:
Why does everyone have to blame poverty for gang violence? There has always been poverty and many of the young people involved in street gangs today are not poor as they own cars etc. And most poor people do not become gang members. Older people will remember just how much poverty there was in Britain in the 1950s but there was very little gang violence or violent crime then. Would you also say that football violence was caused by poverty? Football violence increased throughout the country as poverty fell!
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Fuck me but you are thick. Gang violence in the 50s was horrific.

Save yourself further embarrassment by doing a bit of Googling.
 
Brainaddict said:
Okay, this is some trolling returner. How tedious.
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I am stating facts not trolling! Everyone knows that there was far less violent youth crime way back in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s than there is today! I grew up in the 1970s and 1980s and know that for a fact! When I was growing up virtually no one carried knives. There were no post code wars. And there were virtually no shootings between young people. And any gang fights rarely ever involved any weapons. And you never saw armed police anywhere.
 
Pickman's model said:
Oh the official figures :rolleyes: the official figures if you please like they aren't famously fiddled by the cops
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Any idiot knows that violent crime has increased massively in Britain since the 1950s. When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s virtually no young people carried knives and very few young people ever got stabbed or shot! Everyone know that crime has got far worse! When I was growing up you never used to see armed police anywhere even in central London.
 
Waterwheel said:
Any idiot knows that violent crime has increased massively in Britain since the 1950s. When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s virtually no young people carried knives and very few young people ever got stabbed or shot! Everyone know that crime has got far worse! When I was growing up you never used to see armed police anywhere even in central London.
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What do you think happened to all the pistols etc brought back from the war as trophies? Just stuck in the drawer and forgotten about? Look back to the press of eg the early 60s and you'll see headline after headline about unprecedented gun crime in eg hackney. The thing with crime is it's only recorded if cops find out about it and unsurprisingly they often don't - the police in hackney complained about 30 years ago they knew there were gun fights in the borough they only found about days later with scant detail. But I suppose you're working your way round to tell us of the black muggers, another famous fascist trope
 
What you say is bullshit! In the 1950s and 1960s we had hanging as a deterrent so obviously far fewer young people were prepared to kill each other! I actually grew up in the 1970s and 1980s and know for a fact that very few young people got shot or stabbed to death even as recently as then! It started to get really bad in the early 1990s when there was an epidemic of gun and knife crime in our major cities! That is when cities like Manchester and Nottingham got nicknames like Gunchester and Shottingham! It is laughable to say that the 1950s were anywhere near as violent and crime ridden as since the 1990s! There was virtually no drug crime in the 1950s for example.
 
Waterwheel said:
What you say is bullshit! In the 1950s and 1960s we had hanging as a deterrent so obviously far fewer young people were prepared to kill each other! I actually grew up in the 1970s and 1980s and know for a fact that very few young people got shot or stabbed to death even as recently as then! It started to get really bad in the early 1990s when there was an epidemic of gun and knife crime in our major cities! That is when cities like Manchester and Nottingham got nicknames like Gunchester and Shottingham! It is laughable to say that the 1950s were anywhere near as violent and crime ridden as since the 1990s! There was virtually no drug crime in the 1950s for example.
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I've seen the headlines and read the stories while all you produce is flatulence
 
Waterwheel said:
What you say is bullshit! In the 1950s and 1960s we had hanging as a deterrent so obviously far fewer young people were prepared to kill each other! I actually grew up in the 1970s and 1980s and know for a fact that very few young people got shot or stabbed to death even as recently as then! It started to get really bad in the early 1990s when there was an epidemic of gun and knife crime in our major cities! That is when cities like Manchester and Nottingham got nicknames like Gunchester and Shottingham! It is laughable to say that the 1950s were anywhere near as violent and crime ridden as since the 1990s! There was virtually no drug crime in the 1950s for example.
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OK for the sake of argument let's say you're right on all counts; violent crime of all types has increased from 1950 to 2020.

What do you think are the causes for that?
 
Waterwheel said:
What you say is bullshit! In the 1950s and 1960s we had hanging as a deterrent so obviously far fewer young people were prepared to kill each other! I actually grew up in the 1970s and 1980s and know for a fact that very few young people got shot or stabbed to death even as recently as then! It started to get really bad in the early 1990s when there was an epidemic of gun and knife crime in our major cities! That is when cities like Manchester and Nottingham got nicknames like Gunchester and Shottingham! It is laughable to say that the 1950s were anywhere near as violent and crime ridden as since the 1990s! There was virtually no drug crime in the 1950s for example.
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Hanging, eh
 
This is all a bit shit isn't it? A young activist is shot and is lying in hospital and U75 spends 3 pages on a debate between someone with a fictionalised version of the past and some who appear to deny that there is a specific problem that needs to be seriously discussed.

ETA: To clarify, the specific problem is the rise of organised crime groups mainly in the drugs trade, that mimic the values and modus operandi of the dominant economic and social order and which further immiserate working class communities where they operate.
 
Waterwheel said:
If you want to know for sure that violent crime is far worse today than it was in the 1950s then go out and ask young people themselves! Then go out and ask pensioners about how bad violent crime was in their youth! And ask questions like: "Were their post code wars even a few decades ago?" And "How many people do you know who have been stabbed, shot, or killed?" And a good place to start doing research would be somewhere like Brixton.
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I'm sure you don't want to look like EDL supporting racist pondlife, but you going on and on about violent crime on a thread about Black Lives Matter is very much giving that impression - particularly after your wildly dubious claim that the Football Lads Alliance march was some sort of multicultural carnival.

I strongly suggest you start your own thread where I'm sure there will be plenty of posters happy to dismantle your various back-of-a-fag-packet 'theories.

In fact, I insist that you stop posting on this thread, which has got little to do with your right wing random dribbling. To ensure that, I've banned you from this one particular thread.
 
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