Black Lives Matter demos and protests UK, 2020-2021

[butchersapron]

Well, there is another great historical tradition in Bristol, that is Bristolians acting together to destroy statues of their oppressors and institutions that oppress them. From the ‘mob’ who put out the eyes of a prominent slave trader in 1090, the crowds who pulled down the statue of George III in 1813 to those who added the cap of liberty to William III’s statue as fires raged in the Mansion House in Queen Square and the prisons in the 1831 uprising; Bristolians have a long history of sorting these things out, quickly, decisively (and whilst partying at the same time).

One by one the Colston dominoes are falling.

 

[Gramsci]

They could tell the home secretary they've been unable to identify the perpetrators. Which is something they're perfectly happy to do in other contexts. They could find that the pertinent CCTV footage had mysteriously disappeared, which also happens all the time.

As happened with Sean Rigg:

The head of a Metropolitan police station where a man died has been recorded on tape promising that CCTV cameras were working and tape from them had been seized – weeks before investigators told the man's family that the footage was missing.

Family claim cover-up over death in police custody

Missing CCTV recordings from Sean Rigg's collapse in a cage at Brixton station raise questions over IPCC delays

www.theguardian.com

 

[strung out]

You mean son of a Black Jamaican father. Because some Jamaicans are white. I felt the distinction needed to be drawn in order for your post to make sense.

Yep absolutely - thanks for pulling me up

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I think it’s worth reminding people what the slave trade actually meant. Mass kidnapping, rape, torture, starvation, imprisonment, murder, dismemberment, mental and physical abuse of all, every and the worst kind. Somehow the phrase ‘the slave trade’ sanitises all this a bit.

Would anyone consider a statue to Charles Manson, or Fred West, or the Yorkshire Ripper?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Fairly predictable i suppose.

Kit Malthouse can get the fuck into the harbour too AFAIC

 

[Zerberus]

I think it’s worth reminding people what the slave trade actually meant. Mass kidnapping, rape, torture, starvation, imprisonment, murder, dismemberment, mental and physical abuse of all, every and the worst kind. Somehow the phrase ‘the slave trade’ sanitises all this a bit.

Would anyone consider a statue to Charles Manson, or Fred West, or the Yorkshire Ripper?

I understand what you want to say but all this persons don´t stand for an whole time period. So there is no resaon to give them an statue.
these are individual Events. If Charles Manson startet an time period for over 100 years or so, i think you could discuss it.
There are also some statues of bad events, nobody wants to tear down a plague column. Every war memorial is bad for one side and "good" for the winning side.

 

[Ax^]

was there not a second one going up in Grantham



might need a ladder mind

 

[mauvais]

Fairly predictable i suppose.

I read this as Starmer and wasn't the least bit surprised. Maybe he's the one on the left.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There are also some statues of bad events, nobody wants to tear down a plague column. Every war memorial is bad for one side and "good" for the winning side.

So what? This wasn't a memorial to those who were enslaved. Sorry, it's hard not to go Godwin here, but I think the comparison is justified - you wouldn't put a statue of Hitler on a memorial to the Holocaust.

 

[not-bono-ever]

someone somewhere made a comment about a status of Savile at stoke mandevile being in place for his charity work . yeh i know

 

[butchersapron]

I understand what you want to say but all this persons don´t stand for an whole time period. So there is no resaon to give them an statue.
these are individual Events. If Charles Manson startet an time period for over 100 years or so, i think you could discuss it.
There are also some statues of bad events, nobody wants to tear down a plague column. Every war memorial is bad for one side and "good" for the winning side.

There isn't two sides to this story you pranny.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Violence doesn't accomplish anything, unless you're using it to threaten another journalist, confirms Boris Johnson

People should not resort to violence to get their own way, unless you're using it to help a friend get back at a journalist they don't like, according to Boris Johnson.

newsthump.com

 

[bimble]

So much better this way, a proper sendoff, than if the machinery of local government had finally agreed to its removal in a few years time and contractors vanished it in the night with no ceremony. And because of yesterday people are now talking about how the wealth of this country was built on slavery and that’s one of the things we most need to do here imo, teach it properly in schools etc.

 

[butchersapron]

"if the machinery of local government " - spot the non-bristolian.

 

[Zerberus]

There isn't two sides to this story you pranny.

First of all, there are always two sides.
Second, history is written by the winners

You find a lot of monuments for "bad" events or persons if you judge it from an certain viewing angle

 

[butchersapron]

First of all, there are always two sides.
Second, history is written by the winners

You find a lot of monuments for "bad" events or persons if you judge it from an certain viewing angle

No there isn't.
What relevance?
Find another angle.

 

[Zerberus]

No there isn't.
What relevance?
Find another angle.

Thanks, I´m happy with my angle.

 

[Dogsauce]

Would have cost the council a few bob to take it down, protesters have done them/taxpayers a favour.

 

[butchersapron]

Seriosuly. What sort of angle do you have to contort yourself into in order to think that there's two sides to a slaving full on rapist?

 

[two sheds]

Would have cost the council a few bob to take it down, protesters have done them/taxpayers a favour.

Risk assessment alone would have cost thousands

 

[butchersapron]

Thanks, I´m happy with my angle.

Yep. Therein lies a good part of the problem.

 

[LDC]

First of all, there are always two sides.
Second, history is written by the winners

You find a lot of monuments for "bad" events or persons if you judge it from an certain viewing angle

Great! Another new member with shit politics and a poor ability to discuss things. Just what we need!

 

[DaveCinzano]

Rhodes' statue is made of stone, inside college grounds and two stories up. They're going to need some ninja skillz to pull that one off without anyone getting hurt.

Are you a problem-finder or a problem-solver?

Well, which is it, pilgrim?

 

[killer b]

I saw this Twitter thread about these merchant venturers guys, who like most people I hadn't heard of till yesterday - is it about right?

 

[The39thStep]

Great! Another new member with shit politics and a poor ability to discuss things. Just what we need!

What a time to be alive

 

[danny la rouge]

First of all, there are always two sides.
Second, history is written by the winners

You find a lot of monuments for "bad" events or persons if you judge it from an certain viewing angle

Two sides. FFS. Away and put up a statue to Jimmy Savile in recognition of all the great charity work he did.

 

[danny la rouge]

Where did we find these people? Can we return them?

 

[butchersapron]

I saw this Twitter thread about these merchant venturers guys, who like most people I hadn't heard of till yesterday - is it about right?

Yes. That's a remarkably restrained telling. Which is very useful right now. Here's the brhg MV tagged pieces.

 

[killer b]

Yes. That's a remarkably restrained telling. Which is very useful right now. Here's the brhg MV tagged pieces.

I just searched for them on twitter and you get a big list of the various academy schools they run etc. So many fingers, so many pies.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

First of all, there are always two sides.
Second, history is written by the winners

You find a lot of monuments for "bad" events or persons if you judge it from an certain viewing angle

Oh this is by no means the only statue that needs the Colston treatment. It's a very good start though.