Big up the tube drinkers
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I'd agree with that principal, totally.
My contention is that there was little correlation between drinking on public transport, and being drunk. Long distance trains, yes, intra-city journeys, no.
_angel_
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I'm quite surprised they're not. You wouldn't want someone chomping on a kebab all over you on the tube.
I'm amazed people can't bear not to drink for a short while while on the tube, to be honest, a lot of the people supporting the smoking ban are using the same arguments as the smokers they disagreed with.
And I like a drop of wine as well...
I'm amazed people slap ugly satellite dishes on their houses so they can watch 100 channels of low quality entertainment, or drive around in modified Fiestas, or eat in Harvester pubs.
Just because something is unsophisticated, or aesthetically displeasing, doesn't mean it should be banned.
Just because something is unsophisticated, or aesthetically displeasing, doesn't mean it should be banned.
Well it is more then that becuase it effects you, you watching 100 channels of rubbish shouldn't really effect me, perhaps the sale price of my home because your dish lowers the tone of the area, but really, fuck those people.
You eating a stinky kebab that may or may not all end up in your belly rather then on the seats and other passengers is more likely to actually inconvenience a fellow passenger.
As I said earlier, I think if it wasn't about money being made, food would be banned on the Tube.
claphamboy
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I did say communter trains. Have you been on a peak-time train from, let's say, Victoria to East Croydon recently and seen how packed many of them are?
_angel_
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Most of them have more seating and table/ drinks holders though. I wouldn't advocate eating or drinking anything (other than water) on any train that packed, though.
Just to be clear, I find smelly food unpleasant too. It was one of the things TFL highlighted in their campaign. They did not cover drinking. And indeed, on a much smaller scale, here on urban 2 things have consistently come up time and time again. Smelly food, and playing music. I can't ever remember any thread discussing how unpleasant it is to be near an open alcoholic drink on public transport. Nor can I remember any passenger group raising this as an issue. This makes me think that for most people, it simply wasn't an issue.
where's that then? Not Bristol
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
FridgeMagnet
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No more than for banning food and drink generally. To be fair to Dravinian, he also wants to do that.
See, I'd oppose that but at least it would be a level playing field, and based on tangible objections. Rather than some vague, fuckwitted "enough of that sort of thing" bollocks.
_angel_
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The pro alcohol arguments are the same as the pro smoking ones.
Water is the only drink you need down there, maybe some bottled oxygen.
_angel_
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Are they? Are you sure?
Do you have the figures for death from passive drinking?
To be quite serious, there are lots of people who have died as a result of someone else's intoxication.
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hiraethified
No, they're not. Passive smoking endangers people's health, particularly so if they were working in a pub or office stuffed full of heavy smokers. There is no risk to your health from the extremely rare sight of someone enjoying a can of beer on a tube journey.
Well, I say no risk, but there's clearly a risk that Dravinian and lights.out might work themselves into a dangerous froth of apoplexy at the sight of someone quietly doing something they disapprove of.
Exactly. It's never been an issue until that fucking Tory clown saw an opportunity to drum up some middle England-pleasing PR brownie points.
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hiraethified
"Lots of people" have not died as a result of people having a drink on the tube, so quit trying to muddy the issue.
_angel_
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People might rightly find having a can of beer shoved in their face sick making and just abit rude. The same applies to smelly hot food. I really am surprised anyone needs to drink on the tube, and why?
Can't you just wait a bit?
To be quite serious, there are lots of people who have died as a result of someone else's intoxication.
Of course there are, but that's a bollocks point, serious or not. By that argument, you should ban alcohol entirely - or are you claiming that drunk people on the tube are more likely to become violent than those on the street or in the pub?
_angel_
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There's no loos on tubes and no much space if people puke/ need a piss because of alcohol. If someone DID become violent, last place I;d want to be was on a tube because you can't get away like on the street, in a pub. There are by laws about drinking on the street, anyhow.
Of course it won't stop people BEING drunk on the tube (or anywhere else).
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hiraethified
But tube journeys are shorter and - medically - you're far more likely to need a piss if you've been drinking some time before you got on the tube.
As for the "what if someone got violent" argument, that's too irrelevant to even bother with.
Cid
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As you say, this won't stop people being drunk on the tube, so what's the point?
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