Red Storm
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Agreed. Although I don't think there is a whole lot to do.
Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action
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Agreed. Although I don't think there is a whole lot to do.
fiannanahalba
Feel the Love
Just realised that when i write - the day- in Scotland it doesnt always literally mean today or right now but in England the nuance is lost. My apology Red Storm i thought you were ripping the piss.
Agree this will re emerge but why was the thread pulled - Urban 75 seem to awful timid of potential lawyers letters and arsehole reporters if it was really him.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
The Boss Class only does things like this for our own good, remember. Probably for reasons our tiny little ur-brains could not comprehend.
Red Storm
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Edition Date Number of Branches Notes
Fighting Talk 1 September 1991
Fighting Talk 2 April 1992 14
Fighting Talk 3 June 1992 22
Fighting Talk 4 February 1993 22
Fighting Talk 5 April 1993 27
Fighting Talk 6 June 1993 30
Fighting Talk 7 February 1994 32 Regionalised
Fighting Talk 8 June 1994 33
Fighting Talk 9 October 1994 36
Fighting Talk 10 January 1995 36
Fighting Talk 11 May 1995 37
Fighting Talk 12 November 1995 38
Fighting Talk 13 March 1996 34
Fighting Talk 14 July 1996 34 Germany Gone
Fighting Talk 15 November 1996 34
Fighting Talk 16 March 1997 32 TWAFA Gone
Fighting Talk 17 September 1997 30
Fighting Talk 18 December 1997 30
Fighting Talk 19 April 1998 29 Leeds and Huddersfield Gone
Fighting Talk 20 August 1998 29
Fighting Talk 21 April 1999 28
Fighting Talk 22 October 1999 28
Fighting Talk 23 February 2000 28
Fighting Talk 24 July 2000 4 8 Emails, regional addresses
Fighting Talk 25 May 2001 4 1 Email, regional addresses
This is a table of AFA branches listed in Fighting Talk. Shows the rise and fall in branches.
Thought it might interest people. I was doing this instead of reading through them...
EDIT: just tried to make the table neater but it changed it all back
Fighting Talk 1 September 1991
Fighting Talk 2 April 1992 14
Fighting Talk 3 June 1992 22
Fighting Talk 4 February 1993 22
Fighting Talk 5 April 1993 27
Fighting Talk 6 June 1993 30
Fighting Talk 7 February 1994 32 Regionalised
Fighting Talk 8 June 1994 33
Fighting Talk 9 October 1994 36
Fighting Talk 10 January 1995 36
Fighting Talk 11 May 1995 37
Fighting Talk 12 November 1995 38
Fighting Talk 13 March 1996 34
Fighting Talk 14 July 1996 34 Germany Gone
Fighting Talk 15 November 1996 34
Fighting Talk 16 March 1997 32 TWAFA Gone
Fighting Talk 17 September 1997 30
Fighting Talk 18 December 1997 30
Fighting Talk 19 April 1998 29 Leeds and Huddersfield Gone
Fighting Talk 20 August 1998 29
Fighting Talk 21 April 1999 28
Fighting Talk 22 October 1999 28
Fighting Talk 23 February 2000 28
Fighting Talk 24 July 2000 4 8 Emails, regional addresses
Fighting Talk 25 May 2001 4 1 Email, regional addresses
This is a table of AFA branches listed in Fighting Talk. Shows the rise and fall in branches.
Thought it might interest people. I was doing this instead of reading through them...
EDIT: just tried to make the table neater but it changed it all back
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
You'll go blind.
I promised a picture of me cock last week, didn't I? I haven't forgotten, but me mam was away at her mate's last week an I wasn't about to go rootin round lookin for her camera, but this week should be Hugo-a-go-go. I'm goin to draw a swastika on it as well. In homage to that book, Children of the Sun, about Nicky Crane an such. Nicky Crane's actual name was Nicola - Some Boy Named Sue shit goin on there, I'll be bound.
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Yeah they knew. Paddy Logan was involved to an extent too.
BtF is pretty candid about it.
Yeah I re-read the book recently. There is a bit about Dessie in no retreat as well I think. Just wanted to hear why some of the Manchester AFA hung around with such a figure? I think there is some ex Manchester AFA that frequent urban. I guess the reason they tolerated him was that he was a handy guy to know when the shit hit the fan and someone who had a lot of influence in certain areas? After reading about him he did seem to be an anti-social element. Funnily enough both him and Paddy ended up murdered. If you lie with dogs I guess.
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Which side would you rather them on? I don't think he was tolerated but welcomed as any other member was.
I think a lot of Red Action members could be described as an anti-social element
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Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I've tried to have a discussion about this before, to deafening silence.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I spoke to him about a month before he died and funnily enough he was talking about how he had had to deal with some local youths who were being anti social (abusing an Asian family).
Others will know him better but Dessie had a sustained interest in politics and could hold his own quite easily in political debate.
If by lying with dogs you mean being a victim of a sustained attack by low level drug dealer high on crack then there would be a few on the drugs board on here who also might be at risk with their recreational use.
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Really? I found every person I've spoke to very open about it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
weirdo
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Red Attitude issue 12 has an interview with Dessie. You can find it here: http://afaarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/red-attitude-issue-12.pdf
Which side would you rather them on? I don't think he was tolerated but welcomed as any other member was.
I think a lot of Red Action members could be described as an anti-social element
I don't think its as simple as that. Are you saying we should try and recruit gangland figures cos they might be useful in the battle against fascists?
Cheers.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Read it in bed.
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Save as pdf > view > rotate view > clockwise.
Cheers.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
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Are you saying that at that time you'd rather reject the criminal underground and leave it to the fascists?
The only contradiction, I think, with Dessie being on anti-fascist activities is that he was with republicans. But I think that this shows how well AFA was as a single issue group: anarchists, republicans, socialists and criminals could all work together effectively.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I've tried to have a discussion on here about the seeming (to me) contradiction between the RA/IWCA stance on anti-social behaviour/lumpen elements (see recent discussion on here regarding the riots, for example) and working with someone like Noonan. I think its an interesting area for discussion, but have mostly encountered defensiveness and an unwillingness to discuss.
Good point.
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