can the mainstream press manage to avoid this one i wonder people will go mad
Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not really.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you were amusing to start off with but now you're getting boring.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
To paraphrase Julie Waterson: "...only the scum from estates vote UKIP".
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Out of curiosity, when and where did she come out with this ?
cantsin
Well-Known Member
"paraphrase" . BNP . Late 90's ish ( ? )
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
2003 socialist alliance conference when she said dismissed the bnp vote as the “white lumpen scum living on the housing estates”. (weekly worker, 15/5/2003)
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
she didn't quite, actually. But why would the Weekly Wanker ever be right?
What she said was [paraphrase] the working-class don't vote BNP, well only [definite quote] - the scum off the estates.
The WW took it from a report on these boards, and then re-wrote it.
[/pedant]
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Do you think she meant black scum off the estates; she meant white lumpen underclass didn't she?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
she meant the people on estates who are 'scum' - the 'anti-social', white, folk
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Which sounds pretty much what the WW wrote; just because it's the WW it doesn't mean they can never be right (once in a blue moon it's going to happen).
Oh and apologies for having a go at your pedantry; I'm aware of the pot and kettle quality of what I'm doing.
All the best - Louis MacNeice
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I certainly don't think she was saying all people living on council and ex-council estates were scum, just those who voted BNP; the point is that she was wrong to say that because it dismissed BNP voters (interestingly in much the same way as some are dismissing UKIP voters now).
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Absolutely spot on. And of course as anyone who has done any canvassing would happily tell her, lumpen scum, as a rule, don't vote.
So even when her outburst is distilled to the essence she is wrong on that as well.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I have much to be modest about
Red About Town
Well-Known Member
Wasn't sure where to put this. From people who were involved in the IWCA. Interesting reading.
https://southessexheckler.wordpress.com/about-the-heckler/
https://southessexheckler.wordpress.com/about-the-heckler/
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Some interesting musing on working class self help there
I love the fact the latest edition is sponsored by an Army Surplus store
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Charlie Sargent sent back to prison?
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/nick/go-directly-to-jail-do-not-pass-go-4142
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/nick/go-directly-to-jail-do-not-pass-go-4142
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not aged well has he?
Has Sargent any Irish in him? He looks like a B Hurler from Offaly in that photo.
framed
Leave it!
That report is a little bit curious though... If Sargent is a grass and an SB asset, as has been continually alleged, how come he's accepted back into the fold of this lot and what's the Searchlight 'bogeyman' Will Browning up to now? Plenty of mention of him by Lowles in the HnH blog, but nothing with regard to what he's up to politically, if anything... I tend not to keep that many tabs on these sad cases these days, so please forgive me if I've missed any news about Browning's activities.
Thank the Lord for Hope Not Hate 'researchers' - must be hard work trawling through the facebook pages of fash who do nothing to hide themselves from plain view.
Photo looks weird, like his head's been cut and pasted on...
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
beating the fash? they're doing it themselves:
'Where do I start? National Front (De-registered), British Freedom Party (de-registered), Freedom Democrats (De-registered), UK First Party (De-registered), British People's Party (Deregistered), Britain First (No accounts and constant police investigations), BDP (minute membership), Eng Dems (nationalists?... Also serious debt), Liberty GB (Freedom Democrats copy and going same way), EDL (disappeared).'
'Where do I start? National Front (De-registered), British Freedom Party (de-registered), Freedom Democrats (De-registered), UK First Party (De-registered), British People's Party (Deregistered), Britain First (No accounts and constant police investigations), BDP (minute membership), Eng Dems (nationalists?... Also serious debt), Liberty GB (Freedom Democrats copy and going same way), EDL (disappeared).'
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Prison, coke & hate take a terrible toll on a man's face. He seemed capable of viciousness up close (even when armed with a sellotape dispenser). What was the event where he was spotted on the pavement from a bus? South London somewhere, near Woolwich, maybe? There was a scatter & he was chased into a kebab shop - the cops arrived before a kebab-knife sword-fight started.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
apparently it came out at his murder trial that he was a special branch tout.
i dont think the EDL have disappeared but they are a spent force - they get about 400 at their demos - but as someone on here said 'they have no endgame.' what have they achieved? they read something in the paper and put it on facebook then fume. politically they havent a clue now.
i dont think the EDL have disappeared but they are a spent force - they get about 400 at their demos - but as someone on here said 'they have no endgame.' what have they achieved? they read something in the paper and put it on facebook then fume. politically they havent a clue now.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
re: sargeant, didnt he take refuge in a cop car at the bow confrontation and he bottled it at a gig in the midlands when confronted by a fash opponent.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
According to BTF, it was Phil Edwards, another knifeman, who dived into a cop car outside The Little Driver.
I understand some satisfaction taken from far-right groups collapsing, but in itself it's no victory for progressives or militants. The hundreds of thousands who voted for the BNP, the thousands who turned out for the EDL, they're still here, still disaffected, still more convinced by the ideas of the right than the ideas of the left. I don't think far-right administrative incompetence counts as 'beating the fash'.
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