BBC - Owen Jones
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Just listened to this. He did a really good job on it.
love detective
there's no love too small
This is his constant mantra - with the implicit suggestion that we need an an oxford educated type whose never had a job outside politics to protect us from, and speak out against, oxford educated types who've never had a job outside politics
For the closed off. Just poor objects to be pitied.
temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
I don't like his hair.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
And therein lies the weakness of his position.
I'm not so sure that I could rely on the strength of his convictions if things kicked off. Mind you I'm not sure that I could rely on meself these days but at least I've got the hair for it.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
And therein lies the weakness of his position.
Off-topic, but funny as fuck...
This reminds me of a wedding when a mate, just out from severing a little bit of time for drug dealing, was marrying the daughter of Lord & Lady so-and-so, and the best-man made mention of the 'strength of his convictions', some heckler shouted, 'don't you mean length?'
This made us lot piss ourselves laughing, Lord & Lady so-and-so's party was not amused.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Back to the future with
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/04/the-return-of-marxism
Apparently the 1974 Labour manifesto is where it is all at. The Labour government of that period actually saw the living standards of the working class fall, unemployment rise and the far right grow.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/04/the-return-of-marxism
Apparently the 1974 Labour manifesto is where it is all at. The Labour government of that period actually saw the living standards of the working class fall, unemployment rise and the far right grow.
He's claiming to have been mis-quoted in that on twitter, "A figure I never used. I said 'if you stand up for the bottom 70% they call you a class warrior' etc" which seems about right, but even still 70% seems awfully arbitrary.
Also, It's not it's the whole 1974 Labour manifesto, it's the phrase "Bring about a fundamental and irreversible shift in the balance of power and wealth in favour of working people and their families" that gets him going, which is just standard bennite stuff, but in abstraction it's a statement I can't disagree with. If our generation manages to halt the progress of neo-liberalism, and reverse it with fundamental shift in the balance of power towards the working class, then I'd consider that a great achievement. No, it wouldn't be socialist paradise, but it would be a the first major victory for the left following 30 years of decline and defeat.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Manifesto versus what actually happened situation.
Lets not go back to those days when a small army of well meaning leftists thought that drafting the Labour manifesto was actually meaningful only to see the Labour right refuse to implement most of it.
Well you're right, but I did say in abstraction, in practice it's a different story. A skim through the benn diaries between 74-79 is a good documentary record of how this failed to be achieved. The history of that Callaghan government is an important one for understanding what we're going through today I think, but that's a different topic that would require a thread of it's own. I don't recall Jones being quoted in that article as actually endorsing the entire 1974 manifesto, just that isolated quote, which personally isn't a statement I find really objectionable.
poisondwarf
I have a chance...and it is fat.
He's stated he has had a 'proper job', selling hearing aids, on one of the programmes I saw him on. I'd rather him as a talking head than some of the other twats that are around.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
He's articulate and he provides an entry point in the media for a slightly different narrative. That's god enough for me.
love detective
there's no love too small
he pretty much is articul8
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh what heights!
As he was valiant, I honour him. But as he was ambitious, I slew him.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
What more do you want from him? He's a talking head.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nothing. What do i want from you? Everything. Not, that'll do me, fancy a pint?
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You was moaning that he was skint and had to do this the other month - you've got a bit of a cheek.Minus the good looks, but with extra cash
Which is exactly what the group he is around from Unite and this new CLASS think tank are trying to do...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yeah, i bet you would. if you'e no idea about this financial circumstances why did you try and suggest he's raking it in?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nice to see your sources now. (*compares to lengthy list of attempted smears that you've made on basis of source*). Odd that you said before that he had to do this and would be on pretty much fuck all.
He won't be paying top rate, he'll probably be on 40% tax.
He won't normally get paid for most of his tv appearances
The Indie will pay a bit and with Unite it's hard to tell if he is on a fulltime contract for CLASS it will be between 30 - 40k per year, if it's piece work who knows?
round 203 in the eternal Butchers vs Articul8 exhibition slugfest to get underway here, shortly. Ding Ding, seconds out!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's the first Thursday in the month, he's probably got some ghastly labour thing at 8.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Don't do ghastly labour things. But might do something more productive like sleep
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes you do. It's all you do.
Glad to see that you recognise the damage you do though.
Glad to see that you recognise the damage you do though.
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