yes, because he's no different from anyone else on the telly - same privileged background, blah blah. same reason as what people have been saying here and elsewhere since forever. do you even read this forum ffs.
butchersapron's mum.
BBC - Owen Jones
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He's useful.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Imagine what she'd do to Paxo if he sneered at her!
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Sorry I didn't get the memo. Arsey tit.
editor
hiraethified
A little over the line there, if you don't mind.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Not at all. Check out his posts on the housing benefit thread.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Well then it's not akin to vanity publishing, is it?
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Pretty pointless thread isn't it:
Dear BBC, can you please stop featuring Mr Owen Jones in discussions because I don't like his politics. Yours, Mr Angry
Dear BBC, can you please stop featuring Mr Owen Jones in discussions because I don't like his politics. Yours, Mr Angry
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Quite a number of years ago, I was in a class taught by a leftist (anarchist, I think) lecturer which dealt in a bit of detail with the gentrification of Hoxton and some other bits of East London. At that time the IWCA was active locally (I believe this was the branch which later split rather than one of the ones which just disappeared) and the lecturer pointed everyone towards their local website as a resource. He did however tell the class that the IWCA didn't like questions from students or academic types, so don't email them!
This cracked me up.
Zabo
Well-Known Member
"OWEN JONES, a columnist [eek!] with The Independent, has accused Martin Amis of showing contempt for Britain's poor. Jones made his views known during an introduction to an interview with the British novelist about his latest novel, Lionel Asbo, on BBC 2's The Culture Show.
Jones, who is also the author of the book Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class, calls Amis's latest novel "a cardboard cut-out of broken Britain" and "a caricature of people he's in no position to know anything about".
Lionel Asbo is set in a fictional deprived London borough where the eponymous protagonist, Lionel, a thuggish criminal, wins the lottery and is catapulted to instant celebrity. Jones says that throughout the book, Amis revives the old distinction between the "deserving" and the "undeserving" poor, drawing on a long tradition of contempt for the lower orders among privileged liberal writers. He cites interwar British writers such as HG Wells, Virginia Woolf – and even George Bernard Shaw – who, Jones says, showed contempt for the unwashed masses."
Poster comment:
"William_Brown • 4 days ago It's a work of fiction, so let's not over analyse and immediately take offence.
Owen Jones is, as is his wont, just grabbing on to Amis's current 'new book out' headlines and doing his best (and failing) to be a trendy antagonist. Frankly, he's a University College, Oxford educated poser who likes to pretend to be 'down' with the working class. As a lifelong member of the working class, you don't fool me sir, so go sing another song, this one's becoming tedious and I really am tired of your patronising noise."
LOL
http://www.theweek.co.uk/books/47562/owen-jones-accuses-martin-amis-chav-hate-lionel-asbo
Jones, who is also the author of the book Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class, calls Amis's latest novel "a cardboard cut-out of broken Britain" and "a caricature of people he's in no position to know anything about".
Lionel Asbo is set in a fictional deprived London borough where the eponymous protagonist, Lionel, a thuggish criminal, wins the lottery and is catapulted to instant celebrity. Jones says that throughout the book, Amis revives the old distinction between the "deserving" and the "undeserving" poor, drawing on a long tradition of contempt for the lower orders among privileged liberal writers. He cites interwar British writers such as HG Wells, Virginia Woolf – and even George Bernard Shaw – who, Jones says, showed contempt for the unwashed masses."
Poster comment:
"William_Brown • 4 days ago It's a work of fiction, so let's not over analyse and immediately take offence.
Owen Jones is, as is his wont, just grabbing on to Amis's current 'new book out' headlines and doing his best (and failing) to be a trendy antagonist. Frankly, he's a University College, Oxford educated poser who likes to pretend to be 'down' with the working class. As a lifelong member of the working class, you don't fool me sir, so go sing another song, this one's becoming tedious and I really am tired of your patronising noise."
LOL
http://www.theweek.co.uk/books/47562/owen-jones-accuses-martin-amis-chav-hate-lionel-asbo
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
What was Jones' upbringing prior to university?
eta: actually don't bother answering. I just read his Wikipedia entry. Apologies for my laziness.
eta: actually don't bother answering. I just read his Wikipedia entry. Apologies for my laziness.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
To be fair, he isn't an old Etonian or anything; just went to a seemingly regular 6th form college.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Having read this thread, I'd been assuming that he was the grandson of an Earl and went to Harrow.
temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
He's gay.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
What are they? We don't have them here (so he didn't attend one in Falkirk).
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
A college where you go after 16. Plenty of them around. They are free, state funded, and not posh in the slightest (well none that I know of). Can't speak for Jones' though.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
So, like an FE college?
It's OK, I'll Google. (I've probably asked this before).
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yes, broadly. Although they are state funded rather than state run.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Well at least that is my understanding of one. I could be wrong though so don't quote me.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not all of them are state funded.
Ridiculous, he was involved in the LRC, helped organised John McDonells's abortive leadership bid and rally, wrote Chavs which is more successful and influential than most left wing people could hope for, and certainly more than former leftists like Zabo....
He's alright.
That's mad that he claimed to have not got any jobs through connections though, fucking hell what obvious bullshit.
That's mad that he claimed to have not got any jobs through connections though, fucking hell what obvious bullshit.
Zabo
Well-Known Member
"Less than 5% of the Stockport population are from minority ethnic backgrounds. This is reflected at the Marple campus where ‘White-British’ students make up 97% of the 16 to 18 year old students. The borough of Stockport is relatively prosperous although pockets of social and economic disadvantage exist. The catchment area of the Cheadle Hulme campus includes 32% of students who live in areas with ‘widening participation’ postcodes."
Ofsted
Ofsted
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well, according to this they don't really accord with my understanding of FE colleges (I used to work in FE colleges): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_form_college
They're more like somewhere you'd go to do your A levels (similar to our Highers) if your school didn't do A levels.
eh, his whole book was about the repudation of the term 'Chavs' and deconstructing its use in the media, etc......
Yes that's correct they are not classed as FE at the moment, although with all the restructuring, consolidation, cuts, and academisation the bounderies are shifting.
'It’s the first time something like this has happened to me: an apparent member of the mythical squeezed middle, at least not your average protester, knowing all about us and pronouncing on our behalf. Maybe I was being arrogant, but I couldn’t help thinking that she wouldn’t immediately have thought of Philip Green if it wasn’t for UK Uncut. The experience was a timely indication, I thought, that UK Uncut is gaining significant traction."
The thing is on the visibility and outing of tax dodgers like Green she is right, Uk uncut seized the moment, WILOTL didn't....
The thing is on the visibility and outing of tax dodgers like Green she is right, Uk uncut seized the moment, WILOTL didn't....
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
OK, fair enough, athough I know colleges that are FE and still offer A-Levels so that's probably where the confusion lies. I can never keep up with all the name changes and mergers of these places, that's for sure.
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