redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Not to me he's not, his support for Labour makes him (and Toynbee, articl8 and all the rest) part of the problem not part of the solution.
BBC - Owen Jones
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
A few on here could make IDS squirm if given the chance, but that's the point.
The difference being that Mr. Jones made Iain Duncan Shit squirm with words. Some of the people on here want him to squirm on the end of a spear.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Toynbee, articul8 and all the rest".
He won't know whether to feel insulted or flattered when he reads that!
"Toynbee, articul8 and all the rest".
He won't know whether to feel insulted or flattered when he reads that!
'When'?
You mean Owen Jones actually reads this tripe on here?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
'When'?
You mean Owen Jones actually reads this tripe on here?
I was talking about articul8.
Aha!
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
He's all well meaning and sort of "nice" which means I feel guilty whenever I'm having a go at him, as if I'm tormenting a kitten or something. I said that to button a couple of nights back when the Moore row broke out. Button's response was "yeah, fuck that. It's bullying, AND?"
That whole well meaning/nice thing makes me pull punches, rather than go for it. Does anyone else feel like that?
That whole well meaning/nice thing makes me pull punches, rather than go for it. Does anyone else feel like that?
BigTom
Well-Known Member
As long as by spear you mean sharp stick, and by squirm you mean a slow, agonisingly painful death, then yes I'd agree with you, there are some on here who would want that.
If Owen dropped his support for labour and electoral politics I'd probably agree with most of what he says, and although he has a brand i think there's an honesty to his beliefs and writings, so he hasn't just chosen his brand cos he thinks that is what will sell.
Hopefully he'll radicalise with time, though it'd cost him what he has.
Which is why he won't.
xslavearcx
time for a nu-metal revival?
Given that Labour are wedded to the notion of a deserving/underserving poor in their rhetoric and policies (new deal, hard-working families rhetoric), id agree that there is almost no chance of there being an increase in benefits under a labour government, apart from maybe, in-work benefits. Which is a shame really, because in the midst of failed economic policies like quantitative easing, (designed to get more buying and selling happening through increased money supply but instead rested in bank ledgers instead of filtering down the real economy), an argument for increasing benefits to stimulate growth could be made in fairly uncontroversial neoclassical economic terms of the fact that poorer people having a greater marginal propensity to consume, that is if they get money they will spend it rather than surpluses languishing around banks doing nothing. Ok this is hardly radical stuff, but thats what i reckon could have made it implementable since its fairly sound according to the economic assumptions that are held. The problem is that labour are definately not a 'dole scum' party and that choices like that are off the table as a result.
Also, Owen Jones whenever i've seen him on the telly seems to emphasise the impact that the benefits cap will have on in-work benefits, thus tacitly going along with the skivers/strivers or hardworking families rhetoric that prevails
No one with any brains would drop Labour for TUSC.
Drop Labour to work to encourage and support working class self organisation by all means but that is a different thing.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Yeah, somewhere down the line there might be some kind of left split or something from Labour that would mean he could stop supporting labour whilst continuing to remain with electoral politics.
Andy (Sabcat) wrote this for Owen, it's good! Very good.
http://sabcat.com/identity-it-tells-you-almost-nothing/
Identity. It Tells You Almost Nothing.
http://sabcat.com/identity-it-tells-you-almost-nothing/
Identity. It Tells You Almost Nothing.
No there won't
He's all well meaning and sort of "nice" which means I feel guilty whenever I'm having a go at him, as if I'm tormenting a kitten or something. I said that to button a couple of nights back when the Moore row broke out. Button's response was "yeah, fuck that. It's bullying, AND?"
That whole well meaning/nice thing makes me pull punches, rather than go for it. Does anyone else feel like that?
He's like that Irish singer Mrs Doyle bakes a cake for. I suspect his bashful and youthful looks make a lot of people want to ruff his hair like a naughty puppy.
The said singer, with a puppy.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I wonder what ever happened to Sharon Ebanks. She was a good activist for the BNP, ironically the sort that the left should have claimed.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Oh, ok. Tbh, I just said a couple of things amongst hail of tweets he was batting back, and then wandered off
the button
out on the kocker
He's an autolabourist prick whose response to criticism is "BUT THE TORIES."He's all well meaning and sort of "nice" which means I feel guilty whenever I'm having a go at him, as if I'm tormenting a kitten or something. I said that to button a couple of nights back when the Moore row broke out. Button's response was "yeah, fuck that. It's bullying, AND?"
That whole well meaning/nice thing makes me pull punches, rather than go for it. Does anyone else feel like that?
Fuck him.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hang on, he also calls on miliband to do this and that now and then.
the button
out on the kocker
He loves a good "call on," does Owen. I understand he's also pretty keen on "sending a message" to the government -- by returning a Labour government in 2015, for example.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Make them listen
the button
out on the kocker
He's basically a cross between articul8 and the Andrex puppy.
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