BBC Eric Gill paedo statue attacked

[8ball]

Nobody listens to gary glitter anymore.

Or Michael Jackson.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you bothered reading attentively, which I know you don't, you'd see I was specifically referring to Shakespearean Ariel, who is referred to in the text in the masculine.

Yes, I know, the one from the tempest. Played by women from the mid 1600s to the 1930s

 

[bluescreen]

Or Michael Jackson.

Is that true? Have certainly heard that fans still play Jackson. Am no expert but led to believe that Jackson was an artist but Glitter not so much. That doesn't excuse Jackson, but may excuse playing his music.

 

[maomao]

Pedantically, Ariel isn't a child. He was taken by Sycorax when mature, held for twelve years before Prospero turned up and rescued him. Usually portrayed by a bloke in their early twenties.

Ariel is a spirit and his appearance is open to interpretation (Gill choosing to interpret him as a naked child being fondled by an old man and with his hand wrapped round a rather phallic flute). There are good grounds for thinking Shakespeare intended him to be played by a child actor though (and that the same actor would play the part of Ceres). 'Usually portrayed by a bloke in their early twenties' is misleading as for many years the part was mainly portrayed by female actors.

 

[maomao]

Sorry to revisit this but I think your opinion in this instance is unsustainable. This is not what he got away with, as his interest appears to have been heterosexual and bestial. So while yes he was a paedophile but not in a homosexual way (from a brief search). I think you're barking up the wrong tree here, and unpleasant as the statue may be I really don't think it's a haha and two fingers from him. Really not a fan of the piece, but it's not imo Gill saying here's what I've done for years

There does seem to be some record of homosexual experimentation in Gill's history but you know artists work with symbolism right? It's an overtly sexual statue of a naked child by a known child abuser. 'But he liked girls' is a bit of a cop out.


I also notice that yesterday's hero has scrawled 'BBC - paedos and propaganda' next to the statue. I'm still struggling to find fault with his actions or his analysis.

 

[William of Walworth]

According to the Guardian, it was clean beforehand and the guy made it all grey and dirty.
Man arrested after allegedly damaging statue outside BBC Broadcasting House
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I can't see that too much damage has been doen to the statue, from these pictures??

 

[platinumsage]

Well, separating the art from the artist is definitely what you’ve done there.

If Rudolf Hess had happened to do Michelangelo’s David, what then, eh? EH?

Michelangelo was famously fond of young guys, Cecchino was only 15 for example. Should probably grind David into dust.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It's going to be very entertaining listening to all the right wing ghouls who cried about the Colston statue being toppled take the same line about a nonce statue carved by a nonce being smashed up

 

[maomao]

Michelangelo was famously fond of young guys, Cecchino was only 15 for example. Should probably grind David into dust.

David is a statue of an adult male and not overtly sexual. I'm also not aware of any particular history of child abuse scandals on the part of the Florentine government who commissioned it (though I wouldn't be surprised).

I'm not saying everything Gill ever did should be destroyed, but this triple whammy of abuse definitely should be.

 

[maomao]

It's going to be very entertaining listening to all the right wing ghouls who cried about the Colston statue being toppled take the same line about a nonce statue carved by a nonce being smashed up

The commentators on The Mail were very confused. Lots of 'Marx's statue is definitely getting it now'.

 

[marty21]

It's going to be very entertaining listening to all the right wing ghouls who cried about the Colston statue being toppled take the same line about a nonce statue carved by a nonce being smashed up

The Save Our Statues twitter account is taking the same line , and then blocking people who call him a nonce defender

 

[Doctor Carrot]

The Save Our Statues twitter account is taking the same line , and then blocking people who call him a nonce defender

Reading that twitter for the past 10 minutes has been absolutely glorious

 

[trashpony]

Nobody listens to gary glitter anymore. fuck the nonces and all their works.

And yet the same rules don’t apply to Polanski

 

[bluescreen]

And yet the same rules don’t apply to Polanski

That's because they're different rules. One rule for the pop singer, another for the film auteur.

 

[maomao]

And yet the same rules don’t apply to Polanski

discokermit 's position on Polanski has already been recorded on these boards:

he's a nonce cunt.

 

[tim]

And yet the same rules don’t apply to Polanski

Or the Rolling Stones.

Still at least the pandemic killed Bill Wyman's child friendly restaurant .

 

[killer b]

Wyman left the Rolling Stones fairly sharpish after he married a child, I'm not sure it's fair to tar the whole band as nonces. I've always maintained a boycott of Bill Wyman's Rhythm Kings.

 

[Serge Forward]

If the beeb have used "separate the artist from the art" as a reason for keeping the sculpture, then by the same logic, they should be playing Gary Glitter tunes on the wireless

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Nobody listens to gary glitter anymore.

Was featured in the recentish joker movie.

 

[bluescreen]

If the beeb have used "separate the artist from the art" as a reason for keeping the sculpture, then by the same logic, they should be playing Gary Glitter tunes on the wireless

By the same logic they should be broadcasting Shakespeare and Oscar Wilde.

 

[platinumsage]

If the beeb have used "separate the artist from the art" as a reason for keeping the sculpture, then by the same logic, they should be playing Gary Glitter tunes on the wireless

No of course they shouldn't - Gary Glitter's fans were mostly thick working class women, whereas Gill's statue appreciators are well-educated discerning people capable of setting the work in an appropriate context with respect to the artist's life.

 

[killer b]

I don't think the lack of interest in Gary Glitter's music is entirely down to his paedophilia - he made a form of music that was already deeply unfashionable and disappearing from the playlists well before he had his collar felt.

 

[Serge Forward]

Nah, before his crimes became public, he was doing packed out stadium gigs. Whatever, by the same BBC's logic over Gill, you think Glitter would be reinstated on those BBC4 glam rock retrospectives and TOTP2 programmes.

 

[killer b]

I said it's not entirely down to his paedophilia. He may have had a large live following (concert halls rather than stadia though) but his records weren't played. It was easier to scrub him from the record as a result - much easier than Michael Jackson who's enduring appeal was much more significant (but who is nonetheless starting to disappear now I think)

 

[Pickman's model]

There does seem to be some record of homosexual experimentation in Gill's history but you know artists work with symbolism right? It's an overtly sexual statue of a naked child by a known child abuser. 'But he liked girls' is a bit of a cop out.


I also notice that yesterday's hero has scrawled 'BBC - paedos and propaganda' next to the statue. I'm still struggling to find fault with his actions or his analysis.

Let's not conflate homosexual experimentation with the abuse of children. What I took issue with was some posters' claim that in essence this was in public what Gill did in private. I don't believe it is, giving my reasons, and I think it's quite possible that if he identified as one of the pair it could be with Ariel, breaking free, rather than the somnolent prospero. Being as artists deal in symbolism it might be youth breaking free from age.

However, while reading more about Gill the extent of his depravity became more apparent. I don't know whether everything created by paedophiles should or indeed can be removed from the public sphere. Very easy to smash sculptures (tho maybe a hammer not much use unless you've a year spare) or take them off buildings and pictures out of galleries, much harder to wholly expunge less tangible things like music or the fonts Gill designed, these last being on most machines running Windows.

 

[maomao]

I don't know whether everything created by paedophiles should or indeed can be removed from the public sphere.

I haven't suggested this.

 

[Pickman's model]

I haven't suggested this.

Must replies to you only contain responses to what you've said and not introduce new points?

 

[maomao]

Must replies to you only contain responses to what you've said and not introduce new points?

Yes

 

[pogofish]

One of the reports I read last night was claiming that Piers Corbyn was amongst the little crowd of people cheering him-on.

Which may give a hint at the political stance of the hammerer?

 

[danny la rouge]

One of the reports I read last night was claiming that Piers Corbyn was amongst the little crowd of people cheering him-on.

Which may give a hint at the political stance of the hammerer?

Hate the hammerer, love the hammering.