BBC announced collapse of WT7 before it happened!
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kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
fela, you said that:
and have been pwned on a number of occassions when you've started or contributed to threads claiming that 'This hasn't been covered in the UK media' and then been shown links to various UK national newpapers (on one occassion from about 2 months prior to you posting) demonstrating that it has. So I can only deduce that you don't read any of the electronic editions of the UK nationals before and pay little attention to the media outside Thailand...
and have been pwned on a number of occassions when you've started or contributed to threads claiming that 'This hasn't been covered in the UK media' and then been shown links to various UK national newpapers (on one occassion from about 2 months prior to you posting) demonstrating that it has. So I can only deduce that you don't read any of the electronic editions of the UK nationals before and pay little attention to the media outside Thailand...
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
And you've only got your assertion to say that one's easier than the other. From extensive simulation time (thank you flight simsfela fan said:
) i'd say that crashing a plane is far easier than landing. I could always plant my hellcat into a Jap carrier (Hellcats over the pacific, great game) but landing? Not a chance.On a more serious note, logically crashing is going to be easier than landing. Your horizontal target is about the same in both cases, no real difference. Vertically is a whole different ball game. In the case of the towers it's clearly not a problem, in the case of the pentagon it's still a fairly big building, all you have to do is head in as if for a landing (but faster!) and keep a bit more altitude. When you see the building you point and hold. No need to worry about approach speed, landing gear, flaps, vertical speed. Just point and hold. Ground speed doesn't make that much difference, do you think it's harder to fly a 767 at 500mph than it is at 250mph?
But it was really obvious ... how could anyone miss it ...fela fan said:
#634 said:
... it's in bold and everything .... even a schoolboy could see it ...
I'm led to believe that it's actually easier to maintain a level flight at low level because of surface effects as wellBob_the_lost said:And you've only got your assertion to say that one's easier than the other. From extensive simulation time (thank you flight sims
On a more serious note, logically crashing is going to be easier than landing. Your horizontal target is about the same in both cases, no real difference. Vertically is a whole different ball game. In the case of the towers it's clearly not a problem, in the case of the pentagon it's still a fairly big building, all you have to do is head in as if for a landing (but faster!) and keep a bit more altitude. When you see the building you point and hold. No need to worry about approach speed, landing gear, flaps, vertical speed. Just point and hold. Ground speed doesn't make that much difference, do you think it's harder to fly a 767 at 500mph than it is at 250mph?
kyser_soze said:
What is this bloody word 'pwned'?
I used to read the online versions of papers from britain. I used to read the newspapers over here. I basically stopped all of this a year or two back. Often the only news i get to hear about is from urban and from the bbc website.
When i say the mainstream media never investigate this or that, i guess i need to qualify my language a little. Tell me if i'm wrong that in the main the topic of 911, and in particular the intelligence available to the US, is a non-starter.
To be honest i don't really know why i'm bothering even here any more. All politics and just about all media is negative and impacts negatively on my life. I'm really done with it, and i guess urban is my last link with my past. Maybe i'm still here coz i like the arena of debate. Dunno. Don't care no more!
I know it's rocket science, but there's a website called google and if you type the word in, it usually gives you the answer!fela fan said:
Here, I've done it for you: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=pwned&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
I notice you said you'd flown light aircraft earlier so this is for the the benefit (hopefully) of others.fela fan said:
To land on a runway you pick the point of landing and have to get the line correct horizontally and vertically, controlling the speed and flaps to land at the correct speed without stalling on the approach.
The hijackers didn't have to worry about that, just max out the engines and point at the impact point. Much simpler
Quotes from people who work in mass media :
"The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie
outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to
sell his country & his race for his daily bread. We are the tools &
vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual
prostitutes."
- John Swinton, editor of the New York Tribune
“Media is actually controlled by the corporations, who also control
the government. Which in a sense, is even worse, as they have no
loyalty whatsoever. Our job is to give people not what they want
But what we decide they ought to have”.
Richard Salent, former president, CBS News
“We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with
issues and subjects that we choose to deal with”.
- Richard M. Cohen, Senior Producer of CBS political news
“We in the press like to say we're honest brokers of information and
it's just not true. The press does have an agenda”.
- Bernard Goldberg, ex CBS reporter
"We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things the
general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe
democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps
to keep its secrets, and when the press can decide whether to print
what it knows."
- Katherine Graham, Washington Post publisher and CFR member
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine & other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our
plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity
during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and
prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational
sovereignty of an intellectual elite & world bankers is surely preferable
to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller (Baden-Baden, Germany 1991)
A picture with the 6 groups that own all the big media on the planet :
They create that reality which is most profitable for them
"The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie
outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to
sell his country & his race for his daily bread. We are the tools &
vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual
prostitutes."
- John Swinton, editor of the New York Tribune
“Media is actually controlled by the corporations, who also control
the government. Which in a sense, is even worse, as they have no
loyalty whatsoever. Our job is to give people not what they want
But what we decide they ought to have”.
Richard Salent, former president, CBS News
“We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with
issues and subjects that we choose to deal with”.
- Richard M. Cohen, Senior Producer of CBS political news
“We in the press like to say we're honest brokers of information and
it's just not true. The press does have an agenda”.
- Bernard Goldberg, ex CBS reporter
"We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things the
general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe
democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps
to keep its secrets, and when the press can decide whether to print
what it knows."
- Katherine Graham, Washington Post publisher and CFR member
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine & other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our
plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity
during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and
prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational
sovereignty of an intellectual elite & world bankers is surely preferable
to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller (Baden-Baden, Germany 1991)
A picture with the 6 groups that own all the big media on the planet :
They create that reality which is most profitable for them
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
And? You could probably find those or similar quotes in Manufacturing Consent and any first year A-level sociology student has a grounding on media control. What's your point?
editor
hiraethified
Right. So mass media is to be completely ignored unless they're printing something that agrees with your beliefs?paimei01 said:
And mass media is all a big bag of lies unless you can find something they've reported that helps your case in which is becomes the Indisputable Truth?
And don't tell me. You think sites like prisonplanet adhere to higher journalistic standards than the mainstream press, yes?
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
O mighty powerful Leviathan, who are we to oppose your power? Your tentacles reach to every corner and your will is inviolate! Beware the all powerful unopposed beast! Only the brave, plucky few can see him and fight him with their esoteric knowledge. Thank you for revealing this hidden truth to us, o brave one.
I see my freedom as something not influenced by the outside world, but people must know about the media. It's the media created reality we live in and if the media lies that's the reality for us. Good thing this internet
No they do not lie about everything. What would be the point of that ?
No they do not lie about everything. What would be the point of that ?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Probably about the same level of standard that
A. Thinks that US/EU media corps are the only ones on the planet worth writing about
B. That doesn't understand that 'mono' means one, not 6...
Given that pic comes from New Internationalist that's pretty shoddy...there's some pretty desparate commentary on there: 'Multimedia agency 'PixelPark 'Brand Manages' major clients such as Addidas' (the Bertelsman 'disk') - wow, advertising agency in 'Does advertising for client' shocker'...quotes from Time Warner about the AOL/Time Warner merger (which is now dead in the water, having cost TW billions once AOLs stock fell through the floor) and how great it is...funny how because this picture is 7 years old that it doesn't mention Google, which by market cap is now the biggest media company in the world...
A. Thinks that US/EU media corps are the only ones on the planet worth writing about
B. That doesn't understand that 'mono' means one, not 6...
Given that pic comes from New Internationalist that's pretty shoddy...there's some pretty desparate commentary on there: 'Multimedia agency 'PixelPark 'Brand Manages' major clients such as Addidas' (the Bertelsman 'disk') - wow, advertising agency in 'Does advertising for client' shocker'...quotes from Time Warner about the AOL/Time Warner merger (which is now dead in the water, having cost TW billions once AOLs stock fell through the floor) and how great it is...funny how because this picture is 7 years old that it doesn't mention Google, which by market cap is now the biggest media company in the world...
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
paimei01 said:Those 6 big groups are not in the UK and US alone, look better. I like google and google video. When they will remove those 9/11 videos I will know it's time to run away
I assume by that you mean that they operate in other markets besides North America and Europe you mean? No mention of any South American media companies, nor Japanese nor Indian (which has the largest film industry in the world on domestic prodution and attendence alone)...but they are all out there...
editor
hiraethified
You are aware that some of the 9/11 videos have been edited by conspiracy fans to distort the truth in their favour, yes? And where do you think they got most of their footage from anyway?paimei01 said:Those 6 big groups are not in the UK and US alone, look better. I like google and google video. When they will remove those 9/11 videos I will know it's time to run away
free spirit
more tea vicar?
not that I noticed...Aldebaran said:
paimei01 said:Those 6 big groups are not in the UK and US alone, look better. I like google and google video. When they will remove those 9/11 videos I will know it's time to run away
Keep at it mate. You've got more idea than most around here.
There used to be quite a few, but they've all found it better to piss off.
You may have noticed that self-delusion is a mass disease...
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