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Have just noticed its been just over 3 years since a certain persons last atos assessment leading to ESA in the non work group. Is it just luck? are there guidelines on how often they do this? A lot of you seemed to have been re assessed more often.
 
friendofdorothy said:
Have just noticed its been just over 3 years since a certain persons last atos assessment leading to ESA in the non work group. Is it just luck? are there guidelines on how often they do this? A lot of you seemed to have been re assessed more often.
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Well if you call the complete meltdown and back log of IB to ESA conversions, on top of re-assessments and on top of that new claims, that basically stopped most people already on ESA re-assessments from 2012 onwards luck then yes. Although some unlucky people on ESA were chosen at random because the DWP had to make sure things were still working.

Who would have thought that paying by the assessment would lead to a profit driven out source company to....... well....... whatever caused a rate of 25-50% more assessments than planned for etc?

To add more detail when you are assessed you are given a do not reassess for 3-6-9-12..... up to 36 months (this is usually found on the ESA85 report). If you win at an appeal the tribunal will usually add a recommendation of the period they think re-assessment should occur after...... but this is not binding on the DWP...... although the DWP have generally respected this.

I'm not sure how this works for mandys (mandatroy reconsideration) ? I also know that as ATOS ran a separate system which triggered the automated letters to call you for re-assessment than the DWP who were making or receiving decisions from the Tribunal Service........ the former might not get up dated for reasons unknown so would chuck out automated re-assessment letters based on the original schedule.

Now the re-assessment date was extremely important in the WRAG (Work Related Activity Group) as 12 months or under and basically you were straight on the Work Program.

That is no more and we're about to get hit with the Health and Work Program which will probably extend that to 15 months and although we were told it would never happen does include mandatory treatment programs for claimants!

Oh re-assessment with now Maximus for those left alone is back in full swing!

As per usual it's those with mental health issues 1st and the DWP have basically removed every last reference and safe guard!
 
My sister has just had the results of her PIP migration. Despite having fibromyalgia and getting DLA, both parts higher rate, she has been awarded 0 points for PIP. :mad:

Is this becoming the standard to award 0 points initially? :mad:

Perhaps if the DWP want to save money they could cancel all the ATOS / capita contracts and sack all their assessors and just get a computer to award 0 points to everyone. :mad: :(
 
WouldBe said:
My sister has just had the results of her PIP migration. Despite having fibromyalgia and getting DLA, both parts higher rate, she has been awarded 0 points for PIP. :mad:

Is this becoming the standard to award 0 points initially? :mad:

Perhaps if the DWP want to save money they could cancel all the ATOS / capita contracts and sack all their assessors and just get a computer to award 0 points to everyone. :mad: :(
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Bastards. Is she going to appeal?
 
WouldBe said:
My sister has just had the results of her PIP migration. Despite having fibromyalgia and getting DLA, both parts higher rate, she has been awarded 0 points for PIP. :mad:

Is this becoming the standard to award 0 points initially? :mad:

Perhaps if the DWP want to save money they could cancel all the ATOS / capita contracts and sack all their assessors and just get a computer to award 0 points to everyone. :mad: :(
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The DWP are nothing but piss taking bullies.
I truly hope your Sister has got enough support around her to challenge this ridiculous decision.
 
Just got the results of my PIP reconsideration. Still got 0 points for either care or mobility. :mad:

Apparently I completed the mental state exam with out any problems. Is this the remember 3 words and repeat them later? As I failed to manage this. :facepalm:

Apparently as I had a normal schooling with no special needs requirements there can't be anything wrong with my memory and there's no medical evidence to back it up despite sending in a further copy of the DWP's work psychologist report clearly stating there is. Presumably from this anyone who's had a stroke, brain tumor or being shot in the head can't have memory problems as they had a normal schooling. :mad::facepalm:

"I cannot consider any help you need not covered by the activities for daily living living and mobility". Presumably this means they can't take into account examples of being unable to make a cup of tea consistently as evidence that something more complex like cooking a meal from scratch would be impossible. :mad::confused:

"PIP is a different benefit and has different criteria to DLA, Although you may have been entitled to DLA, unfortunately, based on all the evidence... you do not meet the criteria for PIP". So the fact I was previously awarded higher rate mobility for DLA (unable to walk more than 50M) means suddenly I can walk more than 200M for PIP? I know the higher rate for PIP is only 20M but there must be something in between. :mad::facepalm:

Can we have the bastards charged with conspiracy to murder? :mad::(
 
Onwards with the appeals ... I'm sure help will be available from people on here, and elsewhere !

I can only assume that these are politically motivated and dogmatic attempts to "save" money by putting people off from claiming what should be their full entitlement, perhaps by making things seem far too difficult and by "moving the goalposts" ...
 
WouldBe said:
Just got the results of my PIP reconsideration. Still got 0 points for either care or mobility. :mad:

Apparently I completed the mental state exam with out any problems. Is this the remember 3 words and repeat them later? As I failed to manage this. :facepalm:

Apparently as I had a normal schooling with no special needs requirements there can't be anything wrong with my memory and there's no medical evidence to back it up despite sending in a further copy of the DWP's work psychologist report clearly stating there is. Presumably from this anyone who's had a stroke, brain tumor or being shot in the head can't have memory problems as they had a normal schooling. :mad::facepalm:

"I cannot consider any help you need not covered by the activities for daily living living and mobility". Presumably this means they can't take into account examples of being unable to make a cup of tea consistently as evidence that something more complex like cooking a meal from scratch would be impossible. :mad::confused:

"PIP is a different benefit and has different criteria to DLA, Although you may have been entitled to DLA, unfortunately, based on all the evidence... you do not meet the criteria for PIP". So the fact I was previously awarded higher rate mobility for DLA (unable to walk more than 50M) means suddenly I can walk more than 200M for PIP? I know the higher rate for PIP is only 20M but there must be something in between. :mad::facepalm:

Can we have the bastards charged with conspiracy to murder? :mad::(
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That is so wrong it beggars belief, and the conclusions defy logic. Is it tribunal next? They are wankers, utter wankers.

Behold, again, the healing powers of the DWP ffs.
 
equationgirl said:
That is so wrong it beggars belief, and the conclusions defy logic. Is it tribunal next? They are wankers, utter wankers.

Behold, again, the healing powers of the DWP ffs.
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Definitely a tribunal next. Need to sort out a solicitor to represent me, it worked great last time. Might cost a few hundred quid but it's worth it as I recon the DWP owe me over £3000 so far. :eek:

Then I'm seriously considering doing the twats for fraud at least. :mad:
 
WouldBe said:
Definitely a tribunal next. Need to sort out a solicitor to represent me, it worked great last time. Might cost a few hundred quid but it's worth it as I recon the DWP owe me over £3000 so far. :eek:

Then I'm seriously considering doing the twats for fraud at least. :mad:
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Good on you, they are obviously not relenting, why should we?

I'm currently working on a letter to the Nursing Medical Council regarding the "nurse" who included over 20 lies and inaccuracies in his WCA report, asking that he be retrained or even struck off as not fit for practice.
 
BCBlues said:
Good on you, they are obviously not relenting, why should we?

I'm currently working on a letter to the Nursing Medical Council regarding the "nurse" who included over 20 lies and inaccuracies in his WCA report, asking that he be retrained or even struck off as not fit for practice.
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I'd like to think that these professional bodies are groaning under the weight of complaints against members, solely as a result of their WCA work.
 
WouldBe said:
Definitely a tribunal next. Need to sort out a solicitor to represent me, it worked great last time. Might cost a few hundred quid but it's worth it as I recon the DWP owe me over £3000 so far. :eek:

Then I'm seriously considering doing the twats for fraud at least. :mad:
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I wonder what the possibilities are for landing them with your legal bill on top, when you prevail?
 
As predicted I scored 0 points. I also managed to arrive and leave on my own? I told her a friend had driven me and when she asked about expenses I told her he wasn't bothered about fuel expenses and I just needed to get straight out. It states I had a normal gait when leaving the building so she would have seen me leaving with my friend. Does anyone have any tips on doing a mandatory reconsideration as i have only done one when I got sanctioned last year. Can't even find the motivation to pick up a pen at the moment.
 
I know what you mean about motivation. :( They're very scary. You can, it seems, ask for a mandatory reconsideration by phone or in writing. You might be different, but I found them a bit horrible on the phone, so hurried to get off phone and wrote instead. Along the lines of "the conversation as reported here is not at all the way I remember it", and I request a mandatory reconsideration please.

It's hard to get over the brain freeze that happens when trying to communicate with then, so mine was not very well done. It was rejected and I will have to make an appeal.

Perhaps if we both work up courage to put pen to paper we can each make our pleading letters to the DWP. Not right now, though.
 
Celyn I have about two and a half weeks to get just the mandatory reconsideration in, it took me two days just to open the brown envelope. It's an effort to sign in to this site and everyone is helpful, so trying to reply to dwp is very daunting. They are counting on people like us just to give up because the stress of an appeal is too much. I gave up on an appeal for esa once and took a job that made my anxiety worse. I'm going to do it this time, even if I fail I will feel better that I took on the bastards.
 
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