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Hi Greebo! No, I'm still in the land of the living. Not at my best, but then I'm not sure which decade I last was, really! I'm badly out of date with this thread, unfortunately - I don't know what's happening with everyone, and it's an awful lot of reading to catch up on. Much applause to Panpete for reading the whole thing! Also thanks to Panpete for bringing me back. I'll try to keep up from now on.
Hi I didnt actually get to read it all cos I was typing nearly all day yesterday (fell asleep yesterday afternoon for 2hrs cos I was knackered)

Re the recording. Yardbird said you can demand a recording. I have asked on my ESA50 form, and I will get a friend to call and hassle them for a recording.

The fuckers sent me a letter today cos they havent received my form, even though it's not due till 28th june.
 
28th of June is my cut-off date. No letter of reminder. More importantly, no correspondence from them at all in response to my letter, sent weeks ago, asking why I'm being re-assessed at all, considering the tribunal recommendation? That goes too for the DWP, who I asked to forward me a decision when they said they would check with the Benefits Agency. My MP has forwarded his concerns to Lord Freud and nothing from him either, with four days to go before the dead-line. I've had to go to the A&E department this week and visit my GP yet again, this time to try and sort out some medication for the agonizing pain I'm going through, with a 94 day wait before I can see a neurosurgeon. This process is indeed "inhumane", as described by, I forget now who. I can attest to this. I come here to read and post to try and keep a grip on my sanity.

Edit: This messing with people's heads and pushing them to the limit is non other than deliberate surely? No organisation, not replying to letters, apparently "losing" papers, disregarding tribunal decisions, treating practice GP's with contempt, over-ruling their recommendations etc - a complete basket case in other words - can be as incompetent as this, can they?
 
Edit: Well eventually had to ring the DWP again today and the person who answered my query has confirmed that I do NOT have to fill in the questionnaire that I received at the beginning of this month. Thanks Atos Healthcare, the DWP and whoever else was responsible for putting me through another period of hell.

Exhausted, over and out.
 
28th of June is my cut-off date. No letter of reminder. More importantly, no correspondence from them at all in response to my letter, sent weeks ago, asking why I'm being re-assessed at all, considering the tribunal recommendation? That goes too for the DWP, who I asked to forward me a decision when they said they would check with the Benefits Agency. My MP has forwarded his concerns to Lord Freud and nothing from him either, with four days to go before the dead-line. I've had to go to the A&E department this week and visit my GP yet again, this time to try and sort out some medication for the agonizing pain I'm going through, with a 94 day wait before I can see a neurosurgeon. This process is indeed "inhumane", as described by, I forget now who. I can attest to this. I come here to read and post to try and keep a grip on my sanity.

94 days?Ridiculous! :mad:

Edit: This messing with people's heads and pushing them to the limit is non other than deliberate surely? No organisation, not replying to letters, apparently "losing" papers, disregarding tribunal decisions, treating practice GP's with contempt, over-ruling their recommendations etc - a complete basket case in other words - can be as incompetent as this, can they?

Having first had experience of the system back in the '90s, I can tell you that they were nowhere near as shoddy as now (although they were still as uncaring). I realise that there's an argument to be made that this current shoddiness is the result of having tens of thousands of staff made redundant, but it pre-dates Cameron's pruning of the Civil Service. Arguably the rot started in 2000-01 when "new" Labour launched the Benefits Integrity Project, and got worse as they introduced each new "squeeze" on disabled and long-term sick people.
 
94 days?Ridiculous! :mad:

Having first had experience of the system back in the '90s, I can tell you that they were nowhere near as shoddy as now (although they were still as uncaring). I realise that there's an argument to be made that this current shoddiness is the result of having tens of thousands of staff made redundant, but it pre-dates Cameron's pruning of the Civil Service. Arguably the rot started in 2000-01 when "new" Labour launched the Benefits Integrity Project, and got worse as they introduced each new "squeeze" on disabled and long-term sick people.

See my edit above VP. They are really shoddy and I got a: "I don't want to know about your health, what's the reason for why you're ringing". There are other words that I could come up with to give a more suitable, to use their language, "descriptor".
 
Confession. I got a gram of speed to help me do this form. It will be done within the time. I couldnt think what else to do, I was so overwhelmed and drained, and scattered that I thought I would never get it done.
I am going to tell Atos that I resorted to doing this because it was the only way, and they will see how bad i am. Benefitsandwork said substance misuse not a problem, could even go in my favour.
Please be kind to me.

Gotta go and finish the rest
 
Not sure I know what to say about the drug use - I don't know how they would view that one way or another. Hopefully someone else has a better idea about it.
 
Panpete, DON'T tell ATOS you used speed to fill in the form.

First, because they don't need to know.

Secondly, because it will prove nothing.

Thirdly, because you are essentially admitting to possession of a Class A drug, and you just don't know what they might do with that information.

Fourthly, because they're quite likely to decide that your problems are drugs related, and therefore self-inflicted, and therefore somehow a reason not to award you points.

And finally, because it's just a generally stupid idea that risks fucking things up in all kinds of ways that we normal humans can't figure out and that could wreck everything.

Don't Do It.
 
Panpete, DON'T tell ATOS you used speed to fill in the form.

First, because they don't need to know.

Secondly, because it will prove nothing.

Thirdly, because you are essentially admitting to possession of a Class A drug, and you just don't know what they might do with that information.

Fourthly, because they're quite likely to decide that your problems are drugs related, and therefore self-inflicted, and therefore somehow a reason not to award you points.

And finally, because it's just a generally stupid idea that risks fucking things up in all kinds of ways that we normal humans can't figure out and that could wreck everything.

Don't Do It.
Aw shit am not gonna get it finished in time for postie if 'i start again, cos thats what i'll have to do.
Benefitsandwork say it is important to admit substance abuse and failing to do so, can lead to serious trouble or someting like that.

I'm handrwriting it out cos I dont want them to think I can work cos I can type (the 'you only need one finger to press a button brigade)

But, on the other hand, the pages are dense and very very wordy. Six pages so far, will probs be eight.
Too much. Typical of speed. It's calmed me down getting it all out, but maybe, I feel the urge to redo it, only this time, take out all the padding etc and make it shorter but include all the points.
 
Sounded like a higher up from the Ministry who just phoned: "I don't know whether it was system, or human error, but my apologies". I feel like I've just been in a re-make of Terry Gilliam's film, Brazil and my name is now Sam Lowry. I fear now I may wake-up and find myself in a Dentists chair, in the middle of a cooling tower, with Jack Lint about to do his dirty work. Tuttle, where are you for gods sake!
 
Aw shit am not gonna get it finished in time for postie if 'i start again, cos thats what i'll have to do.
Benefitsandwork say it is important to admit substance abuse and failing to do so, can lead to serious trouble or someting like that.
I had little doubt that you'd respond to my advice with all kinds of good reasons why it shouldn't apply. I also notice that you've rather misunderstood what I said - I wasn't saying "don't DO the form on speed" (that's a whole other matter, and I thought I'd probably be wasting my time and yours by saying that), just don't announce to ATOS that that is what you've done.

It may well be that benefitsandwork do recommend you mention substance abuse, but I suspect they're talking about that as part of your general pathology, rather than announcing that the form was completed under the influence.

I suggest you don't go back and redo it - on past form, that sounds like a guaranteed way of making sure it doesn't get done. And if you do insist on wanting to tell them that you took speed to do it, then nobody here is going to stop you - but...well, it's what I said a few days ago about a lot of people offering advice in a spirit of supportiveness, and your tendency to be a little more than selective about a) which you take, and b) taking responsibility.

I guess we can do no more than advise, and resist the temptation to say "Told you so" if it should go all runny further down the line.
 
I had little doubt that you'd respond to my advice with all kinds of good reasons why it shouldn't apply. I also notice that you've rather misunderstood what I said - I wasn't saying "don't DO the form on speed" (that's a whole other matter, and I thought I'd probably be wasting my time and yours by saying that), just don't announce to ATOS that that is what you've done.

It may well be that benefitsandwork do recommend you mention substance abuse, but I suspect they're talking about that as part of your general pathology, rather than announcing that the form was completed under the influence.

I suggest you don't go back and redo it - on past form, that sounds like a guaranteed way of making sure it doesn't get done. And if you do insist on wanting to tell them that you took speed to do it, then nobody here is going to stop you - but...well, it's what I said a few days ago about a lot of people offering advice in a spirit of supportiveness, and your tendency to be a little more than selective about a) which you take, and b) taking responsibility.

I guess we can do no more than advise, and resist the temptation to say "Told you so" if it should go all runny further down the line.
Phew, that's that sent off.

I did end up having to redo it, because I was on my 6th page and I had mentioned speed on the fourth page, and because of the way the pages all continued from one another, I couldn't very well just take that one page out.
I just made it, phew.

I wouldn't have got it finished if I hadnt've done speed.

Speed isn't something I have done for ages but it was the only way I thought I could get it done.
I didn't do the sheets of info all in one big go, I had breaks for food and a listen to some tunes to give myself rests.

I've probably left loads out but I made it alot shorter.
There was still 6 sheets, but the writing was much more spaced out, so less took up more.

Hhahahahahhaha, the previous one which I threw away had smaller writing and very densely packed. At least with the new one, whoever reads it wont fall asleep long before they have read it.

One last question. The ESA guide from benefitsandwork seemed to want you to get whoever was writing your supporting letters of evidence, to base their letters on descriptors that go with each question.
There's no way my GP would have time to read the descriptors, or any of the other people who wrote supporting letters.

I would have a hell of a time explaining that to the various people who wrote my supporting letters, and, tbh, I think that the people who wrote my supporting letters would be a bit pissed off if I expected them to read the descriptors in the ESA guide.

B&W said, if anything is incorrect on the letters, it could ruin your case.
Maybe B&W are just covering their backsides.

*sits back and enjoys comedown* hahahahha :)

One of the questions was about tasks. I just spent hours explaining to Atos that I cannot do tasks, yet compiling that sheet was one fucking big task, but I have been preparing it since January 2012.

Back then I started a document, and every time i thought of a problem I had that stopped me doing various things, I wrote it down as it occured to me, so there was a ready done list, when the form came.
I thought it a bit obsessive starting that document in jan 2012, but now I am glad I was obsessive, cos that was a real tight squeeze.
 
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Confession. I got a gram of speed to help me do this form. It will be done within the time. I couldnt think what else to do, I was so overwhelmed and drained, and scattered that I thought I would never get it done.
I am going to tell Atos that I resorted to doing this because it was the only way, and they will see how bad i am. Benefitsandwork said substance misuse not a problem, could even go in my favour.
Please be kind to me.

Gotta go and finish the rest

Panpete, we've been through this issue before - there is no point telling Atos about this. They will not care that you did this, and I doubt they would see it as evidence of how bad you are. I think it's a huge gamble thinking this would go in your favour.

Just do your best with the form.

ETA: Congratulations on completing it. First hurdle cleared :)
 
Panpete, we've been through this issue before - there is no point telling Atos about this. They will not care that you did this, and I doubt they would see it as evidence of how bad you are. I think it's a huge gamble thinking this would go in your favour.

Just do your best with the form.

ETA: Congratulations on completing it. First hurdle cleared :)
Hi I probably missed loads out, because, when the 'tell 'em they drove me to speed' idea wasn't so popular, I decided to not risk it. I was just saying to them "you drove me to drugs you bastard" but, no, Atos are ice cold and they won't hear, they don't give a fuck who dies, because they lost the plot.
 
Just checking, I sent copies of the supporting evidence letters off with the original form, and kept all the original letters with a copy of the form - did I do right?
I kept a copy of my own handwritten three double sided A4 sheets with spaced out writing on, and sent them the original.
 
they don't give a fuck who dies, because they lost the plot.

It's worse than that. If this thread is anything to go by, their actions are quite deliberate. But fear not: once you get to the appeals tribunal, you will get a fair hearing. All the trouble that ATOS make you go through is entirely deliberate and designed to make you give up before you get to that point.
 
When do we get to the bit where everyone happy, with enough money, and no one is out to destroy anyone?
 
But am sick of recessions and wars.
We weren't born to go through recessions we were born to experience all the earth has to offer and to learn to love.
 
When do we get to the bit where everyone happy, with enough money, and no one is out to destroy anyone?
"We" don't. This is the real world, not the Land at the Back of the North Wind.

It's bleak, and it's harsh, and it's sometimes got far too many sharp edges, but it's all any of us have got, so we might as well stop waiting for it to get better and start by stopping each of our little bits from getting any worse while waiting for the cavalry to come over the hill.

They're not coming.

We're all there ever is. Sorry.

Not having a go at you panpete, you're not alone in just wanting this to be made better by somebody else, but it's not going to happen.
 
"We" don't. This is the real world, not the Land at the Back of the North Wind.

It's bleak, and it's harsh, and it's sometimes got far too many sharp edges, but it's all any of us have got, so we might as well stop waiting for it to get better and start by stopping each of our little bits from getting any worse while waiting for the cavalry to come over the hill.

They're not coming.

We're all there ever is. Sorry.

Not having a go at you panpete, you're not alone in just wanting this to be made better by somebody else, but it's not going to happen.
But it's not real, it's gone insane.
There is a big weight towards fear, loss, negativity, misery etc, that's not real.
We are being f*cked up the arse by greedy bullies, just like you get in school, no better.
Overgrown toddlers in charge of the world.
It is like a topsy turvy land in itself.
You can't have all bad, it's just not possible, in that you cannot have all black, you need light to be able to know dark and vice versa, it's just that the scales are really skewed at the moment.
 
panpete If you ever wonder where the good stuff is, it's here, around you. Scattered, fragmented, but still there. All you have to do is look around hard enough to find it.

People used to think that 4 leaf clovers made them lucky - IMHO they were wrong. It's just that when people are so aware of what's around them that they can spot a 4 leaf clover, they're probably able to notice other things which might help them to improve their own chances.
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I'm glad you got your form in.

I'm on my way to the benefits advice and am ridiculously anxious.

Have just re read the report from my ATOS medical, :mad:

onward:hmm:
 
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