Athens Greece: Cops murder a 16 year old
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Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
more videos
in this the journalist argues with the pawn in green when he told him to stop recording and blames him and the rest of them for beating up 15-year-olds
This is a video with photos from the recent events
- There is a beautiful photo of the Xmas tree in front of the Parliament all lit up for the festivities in the beginning of the video
from the same Youtuber
-no Xmas tree on this one
not totally sure about the lyrics, great music though
in this the journalist argues with the pawn in green when he told him to stop recording and blames him and the rest of them for beating up 15-year-olds
This is a video with photos from the recent events
- There is a beautiful photo of the Xmas tree in front of the Parliament all lit up for the festivities in the beginning of the video
from the same Youtuber
-no Xmas tree on this one
not totally sure about the lyrics, great music though
About the 15-year-old shot dead in Australia
Very sorry about the loss of another young boy, and on this occasion they seemed to have ganged up on him, three policemen shot him and in the chest, I mean, like mentioned before, couldn't they shoot at his leg or hand to disarm him-supposedly he was holding two knives- and what is this obsession with shooting at the chest ?
Very sorry about the loss of another young boy, and on this occasion they seemed to have ganged up on him, three policemen shot him and in the chest, I mean, like mentioned before, couldn't they shoot at his leg or hand to disarm him-supposedly he was holding two knives- and what is this obsession with shooting at the chest ?
about the Economist's article -narcodollars' post-
I've read it, have a bone to pick with it, but no sources - yet - to back my argument/s, will try to get some and post as soon as possible.
*I will not make an analysis or anything, wouldn't want this topic to reach 100 pages or more
-directed at Dimitris this
I've read it, have a bone to pick with it, but no sources - yet - to back my argument/s, will try to get some and post as soon as possible.
*I will not make an analysis or anything, wouldn't want this topic to reach 100 pages or more
-directed at Dimitris thisSorry, don't know if anyone is posted this already, but libcom's coverage of the riots is in our new Greece unrest section: http://libcom.org/tags/greece-unrest
Of particular interest is the coverage before the riot started of many of the events which have been building up to the explosion: the habitual police brutality, the government austerity measures, the strikes, immigration stuff, etc
Of particular interest is the coverage before the riot started of many of the events which have been building up to the explosion: the habitual police brutality, the government austerity measures, the strikes, immigration stuff, etc
About the Economist's article -narcodollars' post-
A quick note, after realizing how long it is going to take me to find the correct figures and credible sources and write it... just in case you might prefer a quick response, in a few words: it is a very biased piece! (I will try to post about it though, hope soon enough) even from the adjectives he uses you can tell where he stands
still no other sources than my own memory and own views on it. With everything needing to be done from now on, I will not have the time to spend more on this for credible sources etc, but I said I was going to post about this again, so here it goes :
-some figures first -he mentions that the figure for unemployment in young graduates is 21% - According to other statistics (I have read in the past-not kept cuttings from newspapers though) it is closer to 25% or more. Also he mentions 8% for unemployment of the whole population, that is a very much "fluid" number and probably very manipulated. But I guess these are only numbers, and statistics can be as "fluid" as the person analyzing them, or reporting about them, or "cooking" them from the beginning when constructing the way the "numbers" are to be allocated in the survey.
-some more numbers: when he's referring to the demos in Athens. "... average is said to be 2 a week..." From my own memory of statistics about it, it is about 1,5 a day, and from TIMES ON LINE and Matthew Campbell's article "Greek Riots spark Fear of Europe in flames" -dec/14/2008 : "... there were 902 demonstrations in Athens last year..." Not that it matters really, the fact is, we Do have A Lot of demos in Athens, but the journalist in the Economist chooses to get his facts from a source that prefers the manipulation of numbers in order to portray a calm, and peaceful and somewhat orderly Athens. Some different numbers lately have shown a different Athena!
Also in the same article, the way mr. Karamanlis won the elections is described more honestly, and I agree more with this view than the "... he cruised through the last 2 elections ...".
The link to this article can be found on Barking_Mad's post #300, and thanks for the link Barking_Mad.
Also the reason mr. karamanlis won the elections that the Economist's journalist gives is again extremely far from the truth. The reason was financial at the last election anyway, but not in the sense of the strength of Greece's economy, more about the financial aid he gave to the areas damaged by the fires of 2007, but especially for other more corrupted reasons than giving money to people who lost everything just before the voting booths. As far as the first time he won, it was definitely not for reasons such as "... on the strength of Greece's economic growth ..." but more about weaknesses of other parties.
I'm going to finish this note by just repeating some of his own words and instead of a comment some highlighting :
-The trouble is that protests so easily turn violent
-modern Greeks' enthusiasm for protest
and the title of the article :
-They do protest too much
-Sometimes a group of hooded young men, who style themselves anarchists"...
also as far as how much scruffy or not Exarhia is, Dimitris has posted about it and provided a link in his #168 post, but you can google it, or come and visit us and judge for yourselves.
A quick note, after realizing how long it is going to take me to find the correct figures and credible sources and write it... just in case you might prefer a quick response, in a few words: it is a very biased piece! (I will try to post about it though, hope soon enough) even from the adjectives he uses you can tell where he stands
still no other sources than my own memory and own views on it. With everything needing to be done from now on, I will not have the time to spend more on this for credible sources etc, but I said I was going to post about this again, so here it goes :
-some figures first -he mentions that the figure for unemployment in young graduates is 21% - According to other statistics (I have read in the past-not kept cuttings from newspapers though) it is closer to 25% or more. Also he mentions 8% for unemployment of the whole population, that is a very much "fluid" number and probably very manipulated. But I guess these are only numbers, and statistics can be as "fluid" as the person analyzing them, or reporting about them, or "cooking" them from the beginning when constructing the way the "numbers" are to be allocated in the survey.
-some more numbers: when he's referring to the demos in Athens. "... average is said to be 2 a week..." From my own memory of statistics about it, it is about 1,5 a day, and from TIMES ON LINE and Matthew Campbell's article "Greek Riots spark Fear of Europe in flames" -dec/14/2008 : "... there were 902 demonstrations in Athens last year..." Not that it matters really, the fact is, we Do have A Lot of demos in Athens, but the journalist in the Economist chooses to get his facts from a source that prefers the manipulation of numbers in order to portray a calm, and peaceful and somewhat orderly Athens. Some different numbers lately have shown a different Athena!
Also in the same article, the way mr. Karamanlis won the elections is described more honestly, and I agree more with this view than the "... he cruised through the last 2 elections ...".
The link to this article can be found on Barking_Mad's post #300, and thanks for the link Barking_Mad.
Also the reason mr. karamanlis won the elections that the Economist's journalist gives is again extremely far from the truth. The reason was financial at the last election anyway, but not in the sense of the strength of Greece's economy, more about the financial aid he gave to the areas damaged by the fires of 2007, but especially for other more corrupted reasons than giving money to people who lost everything just before the voting booths. As far as the first time he won, it was definitely not for reasons such as "... on the strength of Greece's economic growth ..." but more about weaknesses of other parties.
I'm going to finish this note by just repeating some of his own words and instead of a comment some highlighting :
-The trouble is that protests so easily turn violent
-modern Greeks' enthusiasm for protest
and the title of the article :
-They do protest too much
-Sometimes a group of hooded young men, who style themselves anarchists"...
also as far as how much scruffy or not Exarhia is, Dimitris has posted about it and provided a link in his #168 post, but you can google it, or come and visit us and judge for yourselves.
15 year old Tyler Cassidy, gunned down
by trigger happy coppers in Australia yesterday.
R.I.P
Oh dear what a tragedy........Wait a moment, what's this?
So he was an armed nut case racist bastard with a history of violence and an
evil temper.
Fuck the daft little bastard.
RIP? Ner go rot in hell you nasty little cunt.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
off the thread you odious fuck
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
"Odious fuck" gets prize for best understatement of the year
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
just ignore him.
Sorry for ruining your nice lefty love in with silly little things like the truth.
Why so keen to defend a racist who tried to kill several times in less than two hours?
What soft pilchard asked if they could have shot him in the leg?
Try using a handgun against a moving target before spouting off. You aim for body mass. It's the easiest target. While you are fucking about asking him to stand still so you can disable him he may be able to take a hostage or even kill someone.
I thought the idea of debate was to point out sides to an argument and put forward your opinions as to that argument.
Still in seems in the world of the left it's fine to do so as long as you agree all the time and don't care about the truth.
Stalin come home, all is forgiven.
There are some great ideas here for a 'Green New Deal' for Britain (as well as other material), solutions for both economic and environmental problems that the people of Greece might want to look at after the troubles of recent days:
http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/greennewdealneededforuk210708.aspx
http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/Moresystemspronetocollpasewarnsthinktank261108.aspx
http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/z_sys_publicationdetail.aspx?pid=271
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Dimitris
Well-Known Member
Derf .... just suicide. I dont speak with fascists 
Today I am...... at work I had taken some days off because I was "sick" but it ended today 
... So I will transfer you updates later from what I will learn from phone conversations.
I have tried to gather all solidarity acts from accross Europe that have taken place up to now. Pleaze inform me if I have left anything out ..
* Riots in Denmark with 32 arrested
* Bomb attack at a police departmnet at Mexico city
* Petro bomb attack at the yard of the greek embassy in Mosque, as a result a fire started
* Solidarity demo in Poznan (I spell it correctly ?) and attack at the greek consulate at Warsaw.
* Embassy take over in London, solidarity gathering in Newcastle, a demo in Brighton
* Solidarity actions at the greek consulate in Glasgow and a demo in Endiburg
80 people tried to take over the greek embassy in Paris
* A demo in holland, and a solidarity gathering outside a police department
* Attack at the policemen union building at solidarity gathering outside the greek consulate at Brussels in Belgium
* Demo outside the greek embassy in Sweden,
* Solidarity demo should take place today in Austria
* Attack at the greek consulate in Instabul. The front of the building was painted red.
* A demo with arrested demonstrators in Cyprus
* Take over of the greek embassy building in Sofia in Bulgaria
* Demo and road take over in Bologne in Italy
* Demo outside the greek consulate in Milan, Italy
* Take over of the greek consulate and the Institute of greek politism in Venice
* Demo outside the greek embassy in Rome and demos in Florence, Tourine and Naples
* Demo and attack at a greek tourist company office in Madrid in Spain
* Demo in Barcelona
* Take over of greek embassy in Berlin and 2 demos.. a big solidarity demo is being organized
* Demo of 150 people at Rotstock
* 2 demos for a take over in Hamburg
* Demo with riots in Frankfurt
* Attack at the greek consulate in New York
* Demo outside the greek embassy in Wasinghton
* Picket outside the greek embassy in Dublin Ireland
* The front walls of the greek embassy in Zagreb gets full of grafitty
* Demo of 70 people outside the greek consulate in Switzerland
* Demo in San Fransisco
* Solidarity messages from Chile
Sorry if my spelling is a bit wrong at some points
Today I am...... at work
I had taken some days off because I was "sick" but it ended today ... So I will transfer you updates later from what I will learn from phone conversations.I have tried to gather all solidarity acts from accross Europe that have taken place up to now. Pleaze inform me if I have left anything out ..
* Riots in Denmark with 32 arrested
* Bomb attack at a police departmnet at Mexico city
* Petro bomb attack at the yard of the greek embassy in Mosque, as a result a fire started
* Solidarity demo in Poznan (I spell it correctly ?) and attack at the greek consulate at Warsaw.
* Embassy take over in London, solidarity gathering in Newcastle, a demo in Brighton
* Solidarity actions at the greek consulate in Glasgow and a demo in Endiburg
80 people tried to take over the greek embassy in Paris
* A demo in holland, and a solidarity gathering outside a police department
* Attack at the policemen union building at solidarity gathering outside the greek consulate at Brussels in Belgium
* Demo outside the greek embassy in Sweden,
* Solidarity demo should take place today in Austria
* Attack at the greek consulate in Instabul. The front of the building was painted red.
* A demo with arrested demonstrators in Cyprus
* Take over of the greek embassy building in Sofia in Bulgaria
* Demo and road take over in Bologne in Italy
* Demo outside the greek consulate in Milan, Italy
* Take over of the greek consulate and the Institute of greek politism in Venice
* Demo outside the greek embassy in Rome and demos in Florence, Tourine and Naples
* Demo and attack at a greek tourist company office in Madrid in Spain
* Demo in Barcelona
* Take over of greek embassy in Berlin and 2 demos.. a big solidarity demo is being organized
* Demo of 150 people at Rotstock
* 2 demos for a take over in Hamburg
* Demo with riots in Frankfurt
* Attack at the greek consulate in New York
* Demo outside the greek embassy in Wasinghton
* Picket outside the greek embassy in Dublin Ireland
* The front walls of the greek embassy in Zagreb gets full of grafitty
* Demo of 70 people outside the greek consulate in Switzerland
* Demo in San Fransisco
* Solidarity messages from Chile
Sorry if my spelling is a bit wrong at some points
albionism
A successful virus clinging to a speck of mud.
Regardless of his supposed nationalistic views, he was a 15 year old boy shot dead needlessly. I detest nationalism, i find it ugly, but
he was 15!!!! obviously had issues concerning his mental health. No need for 3 police officers to shoot him dead.
he was 15!!!! obviously had issues concerning his mental health. No need for 3 police officers to shoot him dead.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Yeah, but you haven't done any of that, have you?
What "truth"? The truth, here, seems to have passed you by.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Hang on, have I missed something here? The 15 year old who was shot was a nationalist?
This is the boy in Australia, not Greece.Hang on, have I missed something here? The 15 year old who was shot was a nationalist?
This thread has got confusing.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Well, derf is an idiot.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Okay. I didn't think the Greek police would off one of their own.
I'm sorry but I don't see how valid is the attempt to try to excuse or defend any killing because of the -supposedly illicit behaviour or -character of the victims.
There seems to be a common tactic used by the side of the murderers in all cases to slander the victims after their death in order to sway public opinion about the murder and of right wing rags that play the tune of "calm, order and safety".
Who died and made them judges of anyone's character or behaviour, and are they trying to tell us that it is not so bad to kill a young boy or anyone for that matter if they judge his behaviour or character was in question,
and in any case how did they know all these details before the shooting?
Do they have a list of people of questionable character, beliefs, attitude and behaviour and they pick a name evey so often,
go out with their toys-because obviously they don't use responsibly those bloody things- and "do their thing" and cross the name from their list?
The idea of defending a murder from the police because of the victim's character not only seems totally ridiculous but reminds us Greeks the times when the police and the authorities had people's beliefs and political affiliation attached to their names in their files which they used for all kinds of reasons, from not letting them getting any kind of job to sending them to exile when politics were heating up and they needed to restore their "calm, order and safety".
There seems to be a common tactic used by the side of the murderers in all cases to slander the victims after their death in order to sway public opinion about the murder and of right wing rags that play the tune of "calm, order and safety".
Who died and made them judges of anyone's character or behaviour, and are they trying to tell us that it is not so bad to kill a young boy or anyone for that matter if they judge his behaviour or character was in question,
and in any case how did they know all these details before the shooting?
Do they have a list of people of questionable character, beliefs, attitude and behaviour and they pick a name evey so often,
go out with their toys-because obviously they don't use responsibly those bloody things- and "do their thing" and cross the name from their list?
The idea of defending a murder from the police because of the victim's character not only seems totally ridiculous but reminds us Greeks the times when the police and the authorities had people's beliefs and political affiliation attached to their names in their files which they used for all kinds of reasons, from not letting them getting any kind of job to sending them to exile when politics were heating up and they needed to restore their "calm, order and safety".
No derf is about the only one who seems to have taken the time to look into these stories and try to see beyond the posters who spout off with no facts and a political agenda so clear you can see it a mile away.
In both cases it's the police pigs murdered a poor little kid for no reason if the first poster who mentioned it is to be believed.
In both cases there was far more to it that than the poster's narrow version of the truth would allow them to post.
The first dead bastard turned out to be a member of the far left or at least a thug using it as an excuse to be a bastard. he got caught point blank by a pig who aimed straight at him until you find out that it was an accident and the bullet bounced off a wall first.
The second was a bastard of the extreme right who had just tried to kill his own family before attacking the cops.
Both died as a result of their own stupidity. Tough shit. As for the rioters I hope they drop their own petrol bombs in their laps so they can see what risk the coppers take while protecting the public from scumbags like them.
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