Art that people rave about that's actually shit.

[Pickman's model]

The thing is..it IS about lack of skill or rather loss of skills.. skills are and have been lost...very lovely skills..
This is why we have mediocre art and yet we're being told it is fantastic.
It takes years to learn how glazes work. How translucency works. How and why Turner laid down water based paints first and then painted over in oils. It seems that everything learned is gradually being lost...and the art world is doing very little to counter this.
These are skills that are disappearing and we are being left with artists who paint blobs and the world says "wow".
Caravaggio layered up to 60 glazes in a painting. ...the depth of colours in his work is astounding. The light and dark is perfection.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Renaissance patrons were royalty and religious leaders ie popes.
They didn't give a rat's arse for civic good or civic duty. They commissioned art for their own glorification.

what i like about you is you're not ashamed to parade your ignorance.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Ruling families were expected to direct and fund large scale religious and civic works.

The Medicis commissioned art to gain and maintain control in the republic of Florence. Their commissions were to promote the church and yes they also had an interest in promoting civic pride not so much as a civic duty though. .. Their minds were on trade routes, merchants, wealth, power and control.
And one of the ways they showed their wealth and power was through their patronage of certain artists.

 

[cesare]

The Medicis commissioned art to gain and maintain control in the republic of Florence. Their commissions were to promote the church and yes they also had an interest in promoting civic pride not so much as a civic duty though. .. Their minds were on trade routes, merchants, wealth, power and control.
And one of the ways they showed their wealth and power was through their patronage of certain artists.

I wasn't talking about their motivation but the expectations of them. We simply don't have the same expectations of the ruling class now, the ruling class are building upon a lengthy period of capitalism not trying to assert themselves over a previous republic.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

what i like about you is you're not ashamed to parade your ignorance.

What I like about you is your complete lack knowledge of the use of the first-person singular nominative case personal pronoun.

 

[Pickman's model]

What I like about you is your complete lack knowledge of the use of the first-person singular nominative case personal pronoun.

i didn't expect such an excellent example of my point so swiftly.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Medicis commissioned art to gain and maintain control in the republic of Florence. Their commissions were to promote the church and yes they also had an interest in promoting civic pride not so much as a civic duty though. .. Their minds were on trade routes, merchants, wealth, power and control.
And one of the ways they showed their wealth and power was through their patronage of certain artists.

you do know the medicis were not royalty? fyi: republics do not have royalty.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

I wasn't talking about their motivation but the expectations of them. We simply don't have the same expectations of the ruling class now, the ruling class are building upon a lengthy period of capitalism not trying to assert themselves over a previous republic.

Yes that's true ....
Florence under the Medicis was an exceptional place though....and motivation for development was coming from the top down.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

you do know the medicis were not royalty? fyi: republics do not have royalty.

Yes...I know .. they were ruling nobility.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Renaissance patrons were royalty and religious leaders ie popes.

Yes...I know .. they were ruling nobility.

yeh right

what about organisations, such as the knights hospitaller, for whom caravaggio did some work (and for whom the knights fiddled their rules, so he could be admitted to their order).

 

[cesare]

you do know the medicis were not royalty? fyi: republics do not have royalty.

Confusion of nobility with royalty perhaps

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

yeh right

what about organisations, such as the knights hospitaller, for whom caravaggio did some work (and for whom the knights fiddled their rules, so he could be admitted to their order).

The Medicis had a leg in there too...

 

[Pickman's model]

The Medicis had a leg in there too...

in where?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

in where?

Figure it out .....

 

[Buckaroo]

What I like about you is your complete lack knowledge of the use of the first-person singular nominative case personal pronoun.

 

[Pickman's model]

Figure it out .....

antonio de medici only one i can find with links to the hospitallers.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

More shit art apparently worth millions. ..

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

antonio de medici only one i can find with links to the hospitallers.

Good on you. ..

 

[cesare]

Yes that's true ....
Florence under the Medicis was an exceptional place though....and motivation for development was coming from the top down.

What I'm doing is explaining why I disagree with your original assertion that the development of selfish/status driven art to where it is now started in the last century. My position is that it started way before then with the Renaissance.

 

[passenger]

Andy Warhol

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

What I'm doing is explaining why I disagree with your original assertion that the development of selfish/status driven art to where it is now started in the last century. My position is that it started way before then with the Renaissance.

I was thinking about it from the artist's perspective. Abstract art is self centered...I mean centered on the artist's self ... it communicates from the internal to the external. It often needs explaining. The culture of personality seems to be more important now and since the last century.
It could be to do with the fact that the world can view art works now via various media and so artists can become world famous in their own lifetime.

 

[cesare]

I was thinking about it from the artist's perspective. Abstract art is self centered...I mean centered on the artist's self ... it communicates from the internal to the external. It often needs explaining. The culture of personality seems to be more important now and since the last century.
It could be to do with the fact that the world can view art works now via various media and so artists can become world famous in their own lifetime.

I think it's linked to politics and economics too.

 

[Buckaroo]

What I like about you is your complete lack knowledge of the use of the first-person singular nominative case personal pronoun.

Amo, Amas, Amat, Amsomarvellous, Amanartist, Amacunt.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Amo, Amas, Amat, Amsomarvellous, Amanartist, Amacunt.

Is there an echo in here?

 

[Buckaroo]

Is there an echo in here?

It's all greek to me.

 

[discokermit]

Because photography is a technical discipline?

no, because photographers are chancers.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

It's all greek to me.

And there was me thinking you were Robert De Niro .....talking Italian .....or latin....or baloney...

 

[discokermit]

Pfft. Go.

you may be right, i don't know. go is far more complex, but is it as beautiful? do people replay famous games of renowned players as they do chess? i don't know because despite learning how to play still didn't have a clue what was going on. even when i won.
i did read something once about go making chess look like a knife fight in a telephone box.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

no, because photographers are chancers.

As are many painters.

 

[discokermit]

As are many painters.

no. you buffoon.