Argentina to fly the flag of Las Malvinas at London Olympics

[Casually Red]

Who said photo-shop was a recent invention.

... but it was all downhill after she discovered cock and Crack

in her horse faced case it was Ketamine

 

[Casually Red]

Sure.

You choose to constantly refer to the Falklands as "Las Malvinas" because you are showing undue respect (slavishness) to Argentinian imperialism. Something you claim to be against.

argentina is not an empire and never has been . Thats a figment of your imaginatin , possibly caused by an overdose of cucumber sandwiches , tiffin and having your bowler hat wedged on too tightly . I refer to Las Malvinas as Las Malvinas because not only do I dispute the British imperialist claim to that bit of Argentina thats what the vast majority of people in that part of the world - Latin America - actually call them . With North America apparently taking their lead as well if recent pronouncements by the US state department are anything to go by .

 

[Casually Red]

No it isn't, yours is I'm afraid.

Once again, if those islands off the Irish coast had been settled by another nation before Ireland existed, Ireland would have to fuck off whining about them when it ultimately came into being.

Ireland itself , like argentina, was colonised by another nation . Spain would own Buenos Aires today if your analysis had a shred of legtimacy to it .

 

[trampie]

The blame for the failure to rescue survivors quickly has been put squarely on the Captains of the two other ships that were supposed to be escorting the Belgrano. They both said that they failed to notice the sinking because it was dark and the weather was bad.

That is not the way honourable sailors conduct themselves, the other two vessels may have been out of sight or infront, it was poor form for the Brits not to inform anybody that they had sunk a ship.

 

[Spymaster]

Argentina kicked out the Spanish and the British colonial powers . It is not and never has been a colonial power , any more than Kenya is . Your analysis would appear to be up the left .

The Spanish Red, The Spanish!

Argentina was born of Spanish colonialism!

 

[Spymaster]

argentina is not an empire and never has been .

The Spanish Red, The Spanish!

Argentina was born of Spanish colonialism!

 

[Spymaster]

Spain would own Buenos Aires today if your analysis had a shred of legtimacy to it .

Have you been at the porcine again, Red?

It is not possible for the claim one nation to a land, to be predated by that of another which didn't exist at the time of the former's settlement.

 

[Casually Red]

The Spanish Red, The Spanish!

Argentina was born of Spanish colonialism!

i just said it was , like kenya or north america was born of british colonialism . You dont seem to have much of a grasp on this kicking colonial powers out business . They have to actually be there first before you kick them out . You bizarrely seem to be equating the near entirety of Latin America and the caribbean with the empires they kicked out .

 

[Casually Red]

Have you been at the porcine again, Red?

It is not possible for the claim one nation to a land, to be predated by that of another which didn't exist at the time of the former's settlement.

youd need to rephrase that to make sense as there appears to be a grammatical error

 

[Spymaster]

That is not the way honourable sailors conduct themselves, the other two vessels may have been out of sight or infront ...

This happened in 1982, not 1782. If the Belgrano's ESCORTS were unable to recognise that the Belgrano had suddenly disappeared, that's their (lack of) lookout. To suggest that it's the Brit's fault for not telling them they've lost a warship really is clutching at straws!

... it was poor form for the Brits not to inform anybody that they had sunk a ship.

I'm not sure that they didn't. Do you have any information that suggests that this is the case?

However if they didn't ........ diddums!

 

[agricola]

That is not the way honourable sailors conduct themselves, the other two vessels may have been out of sight or infront, it was poor form for the Brits not to inform anybody that they had sunk a ship.

Perhaps, though that is sort of the point of using submarines in warfare.

 

[agricola]

i just said it was , like kenya or north america was born of british colonialism . You dont seem to have much of a grasp on this kicking colonial powers out business . They have to actually be there first before you kick them out . You bizarrely seem to be equating the near entirety of Latin America and the caribbean with the empires they kicked out .

The point with the Falklands though is that we colonised them before the Argentines (or even the Spanish) did.

 

[Spymaster]

You bizarrely seem to be equating the near entirety of Latin America and the caribbean with the empires they kicked out .

No, no. You're just tying yourself in knots, and rather cheekily trying to legitimise the nations which devolved from Spanish rule, without recognising the ancestral genocide that put them in situ in the first place. Naughty boy!

The hypocrisy of which we're speaking is that which brings the president of a nation founded on genocide, to criticise the colonialism of another.

 

[Spymaster]

The point with the Falklands though is that we colonised them before the Argentines (or even the Spanish) did.

Quite. We colonised them before Argentina existed!

 

[Casually Red]

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No, no. You're just tying yourself in knots, and rather cheekily trying to legitimise the nations which devolved from Spanish rule, without recognising the ancestral genocide that put them in situ in the first place. Naughty boy!

no im not . Theyre entirely seperate issues which you are trying to conflate for the purposes of confusion mongering . There is zero dispute that Argentina is an actual independent nation which rejected Spanish claims of sovereignty to its territory . The issue of Spanish imperialist genocide has got absolutely nothing to do with anything . Unless one is engaged in some X Factor style sob story for the purposes of this thread . Thats an entirely seperate issue irrelevantt o the subject at hand .

The hypocrisy of which we're speaking is that which brings the president of a nation founded on genocide, to criticise the colonialism of another

I see , your blaming Ms Kirchner - an Argentinian - retrospectively for the Spanish empires campaign of genocide in Latin America. Thats despite the fact Ms Kirchner is not even a European , much less Spanish . Much less 500 years old .

Im quite sure you could a few more barrels to scrape if you look hard enough . However its still completely irrelevant to the subject at hand

 

[Casually Red]

Quite. We colonised them before Argentina existed!

spain colonised argentina before it existed . Whats your point ? It doesnt make your claim to argentian territory any more valid than a spanish one

 

[Spymaster]

The issue of Spanish imperialist genocide has got absolutely nothing to do with anything .

But the issue of British colonialism, which also has ended has?

Seriously Red, you're chatting through your arse. If I didn't know you were gay I'd think you have a thing for Cristina. She was a hottie, tbf, but she's well past her best.

 

[Casually Red]

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But the issue of British colonialism, which also has ended has?

las malvinas are still colonised and claimed by Britian . Your point remains an irrelevance no matter how many inane smilies you stick on the end of it

Seriously Red, you're chatting through your arse. If I didn't know you were gay I'd think you have a thing for Cristina. She was a hottie, tbf, but she's well past her best.

you need a few smilies on the end of that one to lend it some much needed gravitas

 

[Spymaster]

spain colonised argentina before it existed . Whats your point ? It doesnt make your claim to argentian territory any more valid than a spanish one

I'm going to type this slowly, just for you.

We colonised the Falklands before the Spanish.

How can they be Argentinian territory if Argentina did not exist when we colonised them?

 

[Casually Red]

for the same reason Argentina isnt spanish territory today . Colonial powers have no rightto infringe upon Argentina sovereignty . Do you actually understand the difference between Argentina and Spain ?

 

[Spymaster]

Your point remains an irrelevance no matter how many inane smilies you stick on the end of it.

Only to a dullard, tbf.

 

[Spymaster]

Colonial powers have no rightto infringe upon Argentina sovereignty . Do you actually understand the difference between Argentina and Spain ?

For this to hold any water you'd have to demonstrate that Argentina has ever held a legitimate sovereign claim to the Falklands. Take your time with that one.

Do you understand how international boundaries have been drawn for the last couple of thousand years?

 

[Casually Red]

no , its irrelvant . Argentina is not a dominion of spain , its a nation which kicked out spanish imperialists as well as British imperialists and asserted its own sovereignty over its own territory . Which includes Las Malvinas, claimed by another imperial power who had its eyes on argentina and which attempted to invade the entire territory and claim it for itself .

 

[Spymaster]

Which includes Las Malvinas

On what basis?

 

[Casually Red]

on the basis that its argentinian territory as opposed to an integral part of a country situated 8000 miles away in a different fucking hemisphere

 

[Spymaster]

on the basis that its argentinian territory

Why?

 

[Casually Red]

"The Argentine Republic has never recognised the illegitimate British occupation of the southern archipelagos, as the presence of the United Kingdom derives from the usurpation in 1833 of a part of the Argentine national territory, which was immediately protested and never consented by Argentina."

 

[Spymaster]

"The Argentine Republic has never recognised the illegitimate British occupation of the southern archipelagos, as the presence of the United Kingdom derives from the usurpation in 1833 of a part of the Argentine national territory, which was immediately protested and never consented by Argentina."

We know that.

Why do you agree with them?

 

[Casually Red]

because theyre right and because the british claim is nothing more than an imperialist intervention in a far away countries territory.

 

[Spymaster]

because theyre right ...

On what basis?