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Argentina to fly the flag of Las Malvinas at London Olympics

No, they are clearly children of a of an occupying nation
You dont say.

You said previously 'you have to deploy a measure of common sense, and fairness, when debating the legitimacy of who has the right to occupy territory' and as regards Israeli settlers born in the occupied territories, you say 'they are clearly children of a of an occupying nation'...hmm

I wouldnt disagree with your above statements coley.
 
So, the Scottish nationalists are patriots, then what of the rest of the Scots? quislings? and Wales seems quite happy with the British occupation given the drubbing the Nationalist movement there recieved at the last election.
Just how far back in history do you go before accepting the status quo?
I cant really talk for the Scots but as regards the Welsh i dont think they are no longer discriminated against ?, they were but not anymore and this is a key factor in deciding if to go it alone or not in the future also children are not taught Welsh history in school, they are taught 1066 and two world wars very little about Wales per se, as regards how far back you go before accepting the status quo depends on when equality is achieved.

If you are an occupying force and treat people as second class citizens then you can expect trouble, if you treat people as equals perhaps in time things will work out, that is not to say that any occupation is ever right, its quite straight forward its not complicated or rocket science if there was more equality and people are fair with each other then the world would be a better place
 
I cant really talk for the Scots but as regards the Welsh i dont think they are no longer discriminated against ?, they were but not anymore and this is a key factor in deciding if to go it alone or not in the future also children are not taught Welsh history in school, they are taught 1066 and two world wars very little about Wales per se, as regards how far back you go before accepting the status quo depends on when equality is achieved.

TBH schools (at least up to the age of 16) are right not to teach Welsh history - there are more important, more easily explained periods (the Civil Wars, WW1/2, the Industrial Revolution) that children of that age should be looking at, which of course include Welsh aspects and perspectives on events.
 
TBH schools (at least up to the age of 16) are right not to teach Welsh history - there are more important, more easily explained periods (the Civil Wars, WW1/2, the Industrial Revolution) that children of that age should be looking at, which of course include Welsh aspects and perspectives on events.
I think they should teach Welsh schoolchildren Welsh history but perhaps the powers that be were afraid of radicalising people by showing one lot up to being goodies and one lot up to being badies and that it could in turn cause a problem for the State.
 
I think they should teach Welsh schoolchildren Welsh history but perhaps the powers that be were afraid of radicalising people by showing one lot up to being goodies and one lot up to being badies and that it could in turn cause a problem for the State.
The welsh assembly?
 
on some other forums it would be thought acceptable to repeat the a auld joke about the falklands being the liberia for welsh sheep
Is that right, acceptable is it, is it ok for the groups that are the butt of jokes to give jokes back the other way ?
 
A Brazilian on another board came out with this. Best deal in the world buying an Argentinian for what they were are worth selling them for what they think are worth.

South American politicos like to talk big about standing together most of the people think Argentinians are arrogant for no obvious reason
 
South American politicos like to talk big about standing together most of the people think Argentinians are arrogant for no obvious reason

The obvious reason is race. I've lost count of the number of Argies who have proudly informed me that their is "the whitest nation in the world."
 
Spanish speaking Italians who think their English is another description :)


Tbf they have suffered from the most incompetant elite make are lot look like genius In comparison
 
The obvious reason is race. I've lost count of the number of Argies who have proudly informed me that their is "the whitest nation in the world."
You are not in Recife are you?
Last time I was there a fight broke out in a bar I was drinking in, it turned out it was Argentinians and Uruguayans fighting over which was the whitest country :)
 

That's one of the worst pieces on the Falklands that I've ever seen. No sense of weight nor balance regarding Mercosur's lack of global importance; nice use of the word "blockade", which it isn't; a comedy graphic to show how we'd likely 'kick some Argie arse'; then to cap it all, this fucking gem:
Argentina still claims the islands – held by Britain since the 1830s – are theirs, despite their crushing defeat in the 1982 Falklands War.
(My emphasis).

:facepalm: They're British because we've held them since 1830 (ahem?) and because we inflicted a crushing (ahem?) defeat on Argentina in 1982?

Sorry SOQ, but this is shite.

Love this bit:

Four Typhoon interceptors are believed to be more than a match for Argentina's ageing jets. A senior defence source said: 'The second they cross their coastline, we'd shoot them from the skies. It would be a turkey shoot.'

Woo Hoo! Sounds like The Mail's "senior defence source" is Barry, from down the Nags Head ...

I've met him. Haven't we all?

What a piece of fucking shit that fucking rag is.

There is any amount of proper information on the net regarding the Islands. Why scrape the barrel when there are vats full of gold?
 
You won't find me defending the 'quality' of Daily Mail journalism. It's a xenophobic, capitalistic, hate filled rag. The fact is, I haven't seen the possibility of Argentine invasion surface even be acknowledged in other media. I do consider it a possibility - HMS Illustrious has been converted for Helicopter only use, and the Defence review of 2010 practically removes our naval presence from the South Atlantic.

That piece is certainly xenomania, paranoid right wing catatrophising of the worst kind. (mind you, I thought It was bad until I saw their follow up article). The purpose of the piece is simple - drum up paranoia, and patriotism, and belittle Argentina because we still rule the waves. We don't. Aging jets or not, the numbers available across the entire Argentinian airforce against four Typhoons is unfavourable.

The 1982 defeat wasn't crushing - it was very touch and go. We could easily have lost that war on 3 or four fluke occasions, that much is clear.

The comments, as usual, play to the average DM reader.

You think that piece is bad? Try this =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...diers-killed--imagined-Dominic-Sandbrook.html

Sentences such as "
Even the nation's new Prime Minister, the blinking, stammering Ed Miliband, cuts a remarkably limp figure, a melancholy leader for a nation sunk in misery."
Seriously, do they think within six weeks every road in port Stanley will have been renamed? That replacement roadsigns are waiting in storage? Didn't happen in '82, did it?

"
Indeed, discreet signals from Paris indicated that President Nicolas Sarkozy would look kindly on an Argentine invasion, since it would bring David Cameron to heel. Over Christmas and New Year, Argentina's military chiefs drew up their plans."
Can anyone tell the Mail has an anti-Europe, divide the union, we don't need them we are better off alone agenda? Do they really think Sarkosy would side with Argentina? I don't think he would. We may bicker amongst ourselves in Europe, but there's no way that Sarkosy would do this. Western powers want to remain unassassaiblble, if that means they will band together to retake the Islands. Any weakness or defeat will lead a difficult precedent for other small remaining territories. the predictions that Streep wins the Oscar? It might just scrape in - It gets released in five screens in the US two days before the qualifying period ends, but I think the film will not be as widely watched as to get enough votes for to be nominated.

Other predictions:-
- Vince Cable quits the cabinet
- Occupy take over city centres across the country
- Anarchist protestors lead marches saying "Give them Back!"
- Chris Huhne quits the cabinet
- Sir Steve Redgrave encourages troops as they leave in his rowing boat
- barack Obama says "
'I will not make the same mistake. My motto is simple: America first.'

- Uk football teams gets chucked out of Euro 2012 as a 'security risk'
- UK nuclear subs unable to support the taskforce as beign made 'female friendly'
- Lib Dems walk out of the coalition

Absolute horseshit, each and every one of these predictions. Completely ignores the fact that this would lead to a new general election, despite being fixed term parliament until 2015. No reference to a new General election in the result of the Lib Dems quitting, as if power would just be handed straight over to Labour.

Its a Daily mail readers wet dream of worst fears, maximised to the infinite degree.

Daily mail - once a rag, always a rag. Terrible articles them both, but I do forsee Argentina trying to retake the islands as a strong possibility. However, no way would all these incredibly unlikely events transpire. Usually horsewhipping paranoia and xenophobia. Chapman pincher would be proud.
 
The late then-chief of the defence staff Lord Lewin said after the war "that was a damn close-run thing". Argentina need only have sunk one of the carriers and it would have been curtains for the whole operation or if the war had have gone on a few weeks longer,the Brits were running dangerously low in ammo.
 
You are not in Recife are you?
Last time I was there a fight broke out in a bar I was drinking in, it turned out it was Argentinians and Uruguayans fighting over which was the whitest country :)

Close enough, it's Rio where I seem to meet most racist Argies.

Strange innit--why would you go to Rio if you only like white people?
 
Close enough, it's Rio where I seem to meet most racist Argies.

Strange innit--why would you go to Rio if you only like white people?
Either they didn't know there would be non whites there (racists are normally stupid)Or they have desires for sex with non whites and then get angry when no one wants to have sex with them:D
 
South American politicos like to talk big about standing together most of the people think Argentinians are arrogant for no obvious reason

That sounds familiar. I visited family in the south of Brazil on the boarder with Argentina and they all went on about how much they hated Argentinians for being arrogant. I even got a handshake for being British and because of the Falklands war. That side of the family are Buddhist too. Very un-buddha-like I thought.
 
Nuclear submarine should be sent to Falklands to show British anger at boat ban decision

A nuclear submarine should be sent to the Falkland Islands to illustrate Britain’s anger at a decision by South American countries to ban boats bearing the island's flag, the former head of the Royal Navy said.

Telegraph

FFS. To do what?
 
One attack submarine fully cannoned up could destroy Argentina's military in the morning.
But for Military willy waving they are really a bit crap being stealth killers the whole point of subs is you can't see them
 
That sounds familiar. I visited family in the south of Brazil on the boarder with Argentina and they all went on about how much they hated Argentinians for being arrogant. I even got a handshake for being British and because of the Falklands war. That side of the family are Buddhist too. Very un-buddha-like I thought.
Its very wrong for me to find that very very funny
 
Not true at all, when the indigenous population of NI vote for Irish unification then I will be all for it.

britian created an artificial state to frustrate Irish democracy . It just drew an arbitrary red line around the areas where its loyalists constituted a majority , abandoning many of them in the process . The indigenous population of the Irish nation voted for an Irish republic and insisted Britian leave Ireland , twice . The British response was to refuse , and carve their country up into bantustans instead where both had to swear allegiance to the British crown . Thats a mockery of democracy , trying to invoke democracy as a justification for imperialism is totally hypocritical .
 
britian created an artificial state to frustrate Irish democracy . It just drew an arbitrary red line around the areas where its loyalists constituted a majority , abandoning many of them in the process . The indigenous population of the Irish nation voted for an Irish republic and insisted Britian leave Ireland , twice . The British response was to refuse , and carve their country up into bantustans instead where both had to swear allegiance to the British crown . Thats a mockery of democracy , trying to invoke democracy as a justification for imperialism is totally hypocritical .
A What has that got to do with the falklands.
B No one on here thinks it was a good idea so your preaching to the converted though how you get a united Ireland now without more trouble is beyond me.
 
Irish nationalism unfortunately got mixed up with catholic protestantism bollocks.
Hence making two states infinitely worse.

It seemed like a good idea at the time :(


Falklands has out of a population of 2000 1 person who thinks it should be Argentinan but as he lives in Argentina so even the dup might think tats a minority view
 
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