Are you ready for Salmond's St. Andrew's day betrayal?

[Peter Dow]

BBC: Alex Salmond talks about his plans for Scotland's future

The cause of Scottish national independence is to be sold out by Alex Salmond on St Andrew's day when he publicizes his white paper much-hyped as an "independence referendum" white paper and plan.

It is a lie. It is a fraud. It does not offer Scottish national independence.

The referendum plan that Salmond and the Queen's civil servants have come up with is for an independent Queen's state with the Scots to be denied our national independence.

So long as we Scots are denied the right to elect our own head of state, a president, of a Scottish republic, we will not be independent but enslaved by the Queen's state.

What Salmond proposes is not a half-way house to Scottish national independence either. A Queen's Scottish state would not be progress. We already have a Queen's Scottish state and Salmond is the Queen's first minister already.

Salmond's referendum plan is a plan for the status quo which is the Saltire used as an alternative Queen's butcher's apron for the Queen's ministers and officers in Scotland.

Salmond's plan is not a plan for us Scots - it is a plan against us Scots, to keep us down and under the brutal heel of the Queen's ministers and officers.

The danger is that there will also be republicans who foolishly welcome Salmond's referendum plan as, so we are told, "a move forward, a half-way house to a Scottish republic". Lies, lies and more lies.

To see Scottish republicans dance to Salmond's royalist tune is even more of a betrayal.

Scottish republicans expect to be betrayed by royalists. But when republicans betray the cause of an independent Scottish republic by agreeing with royalists' plans it is an unexpected betrayal.

I will not betray the cause of an independent Scottish republic and I call every co-called "Scottish republican" who supports Salmond's referendum plan announced on Monday "TRAITOR!" because that is what they will be.

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[DotCommunist]

We've had your oil, now you are just a burden. I say we rebuild hadrians wall and be done with it.

 

[likesfish]

saw the documentary did'nt go well

 

[Fullyplumped]

I wouldn't worry, Peter - it looks like the majority of MSPs will kick Alex Salmond's plan out, thus saving £12 million which can be used for something a bit more practical.

And they'll be going with the grain of Scots opinion in doing so. An Ipsos Mori poll reported in The Times shows support for independence running at only 20% and support for a referendum languishing at only 25%.

And since it now looks likely that the SNP will lose its place as governing party in the next eighteen months, or sooner if they lose the budget vote and resign, this proposal is toast.

Your place as the Standard Bearer is safe for now.

 

[Peter Dow]

Stockwell tube station. Northern Line -> Victoria Line ->

I wouldn't worry, Peter - it looks like the majority of MSPs will kick Alex Salmond's plan out, thus saving £12 million which can be used for something a bit more practical.

I worry about the status quo. Agreed we could remove the Windsor monarchy for far less than £12 million.

And they'll be going with the grain of Scots opinion in doing so. An Ipsos Mori poll reported in The Times shows support for independence running at only 20% and support for a referendum languishing at only 25%.

Well the Scots have never really had the advantages of Scottish national independence properly explained or offered to us Scots on the BBC etc.

Not that I would expect a UK-controlled mass-media to want to do that - condemn the failings of their own kingdom.

All they ever would allow is a royalist like Salmond to kiss up to the Queen and call that "independent".

No depending on the UK broadcasting media to deliver Scots votes for national independence is poor tactics.

The correct strategy to gain popular support is via a military strategy to force the broadcasters to allow fair air-time to real Scottish republicans.

For example, if the Scots' military assassinated the Queen I am sure that suddenly the BBC would be keen to hear from Scottish republicans as to why they wanted their oppressor dead and why an independent Scottish republic would make for justice, peace and end to the war of liberation from the UK tyranny.

And since it now looks likely that the SNP will lose its place as governing party in the next eighteen months, or sooner if they lose the budget vote and resign, this proposal is toast.

I have yet to see any sign that the opposition would vote against an SNP budget. The most they did was abstain I think. I think they are too comfortable with their seats in Holyrood to want to risk facing the electorate any time soon.

Your place as the Standard Bearer is safe for now.

That is as reassuring as Jean Charles de Menezes's final London Underground ticket.

 

[tar1984]

We've had your oil, now you are just a burden. I say we rebuild hadrians wall and be done with it.

Fine by us.


Ps. This is c&p spam.

 

[danny la rouge]

Good God, Peter, you get your blood pressure up over some arcane crap, don't you?

I haven't read your entire odyssey, or indeed FF's reply. But I'm pretty certain that I disagree with both of you.

 

[twistedAM]

We discovered your oil for you, now you are just a burden. I say we rebuild hadrians wall and be done with it.

fixed

 

[Belushi]

The correct strategy to gain popular support is via a military strategy to force the broadcasters to allow fair air-time to real Scottish republicans.

For example, if the Scots' military assassinated the Queen I am sure that suddenly the BBC would be keen to hear from Scottish republicans as to why they wanted their oppressor dead and why an independent Scottish republic would make for justice, peace and end to the war of liberation from the UK tyranny.

You're still my favourite nutter Peter.

 

[tar1984]

Say what you want about the SNP, but they have done more for the cause of scottish independance than this mentalist could dream of, tbh. By building up a legitamate democratic party, with sound arguments, they've gotten a majority in the scottish parliament, and are at least in a position to push for it now.

Anyway, Peter, well done for not referring to yourself in the third person again in this particular piece of pish.

 

[Peter Dow]

Good God, Peter, you get your blood pressure up over some arcane crap, don't you?

No I don't. When the local thugs suddenly bang on my front window that gets my blood pressure up or being arrested by the police or being threatened with violence while I am in prison, that kind of thing. Politics is more of an intellectual pursuit and I am angry about the bad politics of this kingdom but it is more of a cold fury most of the time.

My politics isn't arcane - well not for anyone who is capable and can be bothered understanding something DIFFERENT from that fed to you by the broadcasters.

I haven't read your entire odyssey, or indeed FF's reply. But I'm pretty certain that I disagree with both of you.

You can't be bothered. Well don't worry yourself about it then. I am sure if it is important it will be on telly one day and you can learn ALL about it then.

From "Your Scotland, Your Voice: A National Conversation"

9.18
The current constitutional arrangements, with the Queen as Head of State of an independent Scotland, a Scottish Parliament and Government modelled on the existing institutions, and continued membership of the European Union, would provide a robust and tested constitutional framework for Scotland in the event of the transition to independence.

So long as the Queen is head of state then the person with the independence is the Queen and we as Scots have no independence whatsoever as per usual.

Therefore the whole spin of Salmond's white paper as delivering "independence" (with the clear intention to deceive the Scots that he means "national independence of the Scots") is a bare-faced lie.

 

[tar1984]

I am sure if it is important it will be on telly one day and you can learn ALL about it then.

Sheeple!

 

[Fruitloop]

saw the documentary did'nt go well

Rose Street was particularly quiet that evening.

 

[Grandma Death]

More spam from Peter....he's spammed another board with pretty much the same material.

 

[_pH_]

From this: http://www.b2g5.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1086700476&user=peterdow

On the 8th June, the planet Venus could be seen to pass in front of the sun from Scotland, cloud-cover permitting. This is a once in a life time event. What may it portend?

Let us recall that in Roman mythology, Venus is the goddess of love. If Venus could speak to us at this her most special time, I believe that she would say words to the effect that love is good and its expression in sexual acts is good too.

I believe that Venus, goddess of love, would call for the legalisation of all consensual acts of love between people – irrespective of gender, age and family relationship. Venus is a real sexual liberal, she is.

As a politician of sorts, I cannot go quite as far as Venus would, but I would ask for sympathy, compassion and leniency when sexual passions lead people non-violently to transgress sexual conduct laws.

Peter Dow, Scottish National Standard Bearer

[my emphasis]

What's that all about Peter? Are you encouraging under age sex? Incest? If you weren't a 'politician of sorts' (which, let's face it, you're not) what would your view be?

 

[_pH_]

http://aberdeentramps.blogspot.com/2005/01/local-hero-1-peter-dow_10.html#comments

Some interesting opinions about you there too Peter.

 

[Grandma Death]

Bless peter...from his site:

Breast sizes I am not too fussy about - small, medium or large - I like them all. Really the best thing ladies can do here is to email me a photograph or two so that I can see for myself.

So no anorexics or very fat women please.

Ages: Well I am 47 (in 2008) and my main requirement is that my lady be of child-bearing age (aged 16 to 40 is fine), and younger women have time to bear more children. The more children a woman could bear for me, the happier I'll be.

....peter you'll be single for quite some time me thinks as well as possibly on the child sex register....

 

[tim]

Fuck off, and be a nation again!

It's bad enough having being ruled by the likes of Blair, Brown, Reid and those other North British new Labour careerists and facing a future under the thumb of a Cameron (albeit one with an etonian accent) aided and abetted by Liam Fuckwit Fox; with out you coming on whinging about how awful it is being subsidised by our taxes.

 

[tim]

Anyway the bloody woman's half Scotch and her son's a kilt fetishist, so I can't see what your problem is. If you don't like sharing, fuck off and take them with you.

 

[danny la rouge]

Fuck off, and be a nation again!

Oh, behave.

 

[danny la rouge]

My politics isn't arcane - well not for anyone who is capable and can be bothered understanding something DIFFERENT from that fed to you by the broadcasters.

Yes, you're right. I disagree with you because I only believe what I'm told by, change font and text size, broadcasters. Centre next bit, bold, change font size, link, picture, cut and paste, video. You've convinced me.

 

[Lemon Eddy]

Yes, you're right. I disagree with you because I only believe what I'm told by, change font and text size, broadcasters. Centre next bit, bold, change font size, link, picture, cut and paste, video. You've convinced me.

I don't know if you've ever argued or met Peter before, but trust me you're as well just giving it "aye, whatever". He's a bit of a local...well legend isn't really the word, caution would be better. Peter isn't one for discussion or debate, and he will go to great lengths if he feels slighted.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=102616&sectioncode=26

It must also be galling for him that support for full scottish independence is amongst voters is very low:

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Independence-white-paper-is-the.5870981.jp

"With support for independence stuck in the 20 per cent range and the SNP's popularity waning, it is beginning to look symbolic of Mr Salmond's strategy."

 

[Lemon Eddy]

Fuck off, and be a nation again!

It's bad enough having being ruled by the likes of Blair, Brown, Reid and those other North British new Labour careerists and facing a future under the thumb of a Cameron (albeit one with an etonian accent) aided and abetted by Liam Fuckwit Fox; with out you coming on whinging about how awful it is being subsidised by our taxes.

The whole "we subsidise you" shite that both sides trade on this is incredibly dull, and usually extremely poorly informed. It's a pretty complex issue that has to take in revenue from oil versus higher per capita cost, but most analyses average it out as fairly even all things considered.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don't know if you've ever argued or met Peter before, but trust me you're as well just giving it "aye, whatever". He's a bit of a local...well legend isn't really the word, caution would be better. Peter isn't one for discussion or debate, and he will go to great lengths if he feels slighted.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=102616&sectioncode=26

Aw, be fair; that was 12 years ago. Maybe he's mellowed.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

I don't know if you've ever argued or met Peter before, but trust me you're as well just giving it "aye, whatever". He's a bit of a local...well legend isn't really the word, caution would be better. Peter isn't one for discussion or debate, and he will go to great lengths if he feels slighted.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=102616&sectioncode=26
"

from that link....

Mr Dow began disrupting university meetings and widely distributing leaflets which accused senior staff of being "criminals and gangsters" after the university failed his MSc dissertation on magnetic resonance imaging

We now have the absolute proof that too much exposure to radiation causes you to turn into the Incredible Loon....
You wont like him when his angry!

 

[Peter Dow]

Peter isn't one for discussion or debate, and he will go to great lengths if he feels slighted.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=102616&sectioncode=26

It seems strange to me that you claim I am the one who isn't for discussion or debate and to "prove" your point, you quote a court case where I was forced to stop discussing and debating in print on threat of imprisonment for contempt of court of orders stopping me from publishing my views.

It seems to me that I wanted to discuss and debate issues but this kingdom's defamation laws and Queen's courts are the ones which are against discussion and debate.

"The freedom denied to the Scots by this Queen. The Constitution from Hell!"

I am all for discussion and debate. I was the one denied the right to continue discussing and debating.

So it just seems curious that you quote that.

I presume if you wanted to prove that Nelson Mandela was against a free and democratic South Africa, you similarly would quote the case when he was jailed for life for campaigning for just that.

 

[The Boy]

I presume if you wanted to prove that Nelson Mandela was against a free and democratic South Africa, you similarly would quote the case when he was jailed for life for campaigning for just that.

I'm waaaay too pished to say anything sensible on the matter, but that has seriously made me forget an otherwise horrible day.

 

[Lemon Eddy]

It seems to me that I wanted to discuss and debate issues but this kingdom's defamation laws and Queen's courts are the ones which are against discussion and debate...

...I presume if you wanted to prove that Nelson Mandela was against a free and democratic South Africa, you similarly would quote the case when he was jailed for life for campaigning for just that.

Splendid work sir, even by your standards of self grandiose loonery.

The first point I'd have to correct you on is that "discussion and debate" is not a good way to describe a long running pamphlet campaign calling people "criminals and gangsters", or "potential killers" who were stalling "life-saving work", because they found your 20 odd page dissertation to be rather crap.

The second point is that comparing your case to that of Nelson Mandela really is rather delusional. One of you fought a long campaign againt apartheid, eventually seeing democracy returned to South Africa, while the other was told by a court to stop being a prat.

But, let me not kid myself any further. After all, your ability to ignore reality is a thing of renown. As such, there really is little point me trying to explain this to you.

Let me ask one question though. At a time when opinion polls show scottish voter support for independence at a little over 20%, and considering that there has never been even close to majority support for it, at what stage would you acknowledge that the democratic will of the Scots is to remain part of the UK? Also, does that not make you the traitor?

 

[tar1984]

Did he just compare himself to mandela? Awesome.

According to received wisdom (idle gossip), Peter's studies were an advanced degree (Masters, I think) in Medical Physics. When the Uni failed him, it seemed to tip him over the edge. He started decrying the Principle of the Uni as a murderer, on the basis that his career in Medical Physics would be lifesaving, and anyone interfering with the pursuit of that career therefore had blood on their hands.

Excellent logic.

 

[Peter Dow]

Why don't you call me "Dirty Dow" too?

Splendid work sir, even by your standards of self grandiose loonery.

The first point I'd have to correct you on is that "discussion and debate" is not a good way to describe a long running pamphlet campaign calling people "criminals and gangsters", or "potential killers" who were stalling "life-saving work", because they found your 20 odd page dissertation to be rather crap.

The second point is that comparing your case to that of Nelson Mandela really is rather delusional. One of you fought a long campaign againt apartheid, eventually seeing democracy returned to South Africa, while the other was told by a court to stop being a prat.

But, let me not kid myself any further. After all, your ability to ignore reality is a thing of renown. As such, there really is little point me trying to explain this to you.

Did he just compare himself to mandela? Awesome.

According to received wisdom (idle gossip), Peter's studies were an advanced degree (Masters, I think) in Medical Physics. When the Uni failed him, it seemed to tip him over the edge. He started decrying the Principle of the Uni as a murderer, on the basis that his career in Medical Physics would be lifesaving, and anyone interfering with the pursuit of that career therefore had blood on their hands.

Excellent logic.

Gentlemen you don't have to correct me or spread distorted gossip about the case but you certainly get to. You don't get threatened with imprisonment for waxing lyrical on the court case concerned.

On the other hand I don't even get to correct you in detail nor anyone else who supports the judge's threat to imprison me if I didn't shut up about the case.

I did have to go to jail if the judge ordered it.

So you gentlemen are as secure in appearing to win this argument by default as those "loyal Germans" who laughed at the Jews as they were taken away to be exterminated in Hitler's death camps.

You "loyal to the establishment of the day" types like it when the people you taunt are helpless to reply, don't you?

Why don't you call me "Dirty Dow" as well? I am sure it would run off your tongues as easily as "Dirty Jew" did for the loyalists before you.

So sneer gentlemen secure in the knowledge that I can't debate back for now.

Perhaps one day there will be a measure of justice for the oppressed people of Scotland when we will be as armed to the teeth as our UK oppressors and then we can get to fight for rather more constitutional rights than the pieces of meat we are treated as by the Queen's courts and officers.