Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh just get some tins and go to a park then
Are You "Anyone But England"?
- Thread starter Spymaster
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
To be fair to the Dutch they still, however irrationally, object to the events of 1940-44.
Voley
🐀
Bit odd reading about people annoyed by 'football's coming home' as a lot of it's tongue-in-cheek. England supporters are a long-suffering bunch and like to take the piss out of our rather (ahem) 'varied' track record. The song itself is self-deprecating but hopeful. I can't really interpret that as the chest-beating call to arms that some seem to think it is.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I don’t think so. I reckon the wheels come off this afternoon. It doesn’t matter though. We’ve already gone further than anyone reasonably expected so anything from here is a massive bonus. The football has been pretty ordinary but there’s been an air of fun about for the last couple of weeks and Gareth Southgate has come across as one of the most decent men in sport.
Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
Spot on
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
Have to agree with this. The current England setup is genuinely testing the limits of my customary ABEness. Very few figures of hate in the squad, a decent bloke as a manager, well-behaved fans, etc. I actually have to make a conscious effort to want them to lose this time around rather than it flowing naturally and freely
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
lol, I had to do a double take there before realising that "ungerman cars" meant "non German cars".
I didn't see any rioting personally only what was reported on the news, and a brief encounter with pissed up irate England fans hitting my car outside a pub on the Addiscombe Road, however it was widely reported at the time that England fans were directing their ire specifically at anything German, including a poor Russian man who got stabbed after being mistaken for a German.
"Yet for the English press, particularly the tabloids, the big international contest is often an opportunity to broadcast cultural prejudices and circulate jingoistic sentiment. Arguably, one of the most telling and alarming examples of recent times was the press coverage of Euro ’96. Persistently vitriolic and hateful in nature, the coverage provoked many complaints from the public and led to a report by the National Heritage Select Committee which expressed its disgust at the “xenophobic, chauvinistic and jingoistic gutter journalism” of the tabloids. The report also suggested inflammatory links between such coverage and rioting that occurred following the England-Germany semi-final (violence in Trafalgar Square saw, along with damage to German-made motor cars, an English mob set upon, and seriously injure, a Russian bystander mistaken for being German)."
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Hopefully we've since moved on from all that nonsense, and Saabs, Volvos and Ikea won't be targets of English hooliganism should the Swedes win.
PS. I've just heard on Danny Baker that on this day in 1971, Bjorn and Agnetha got married. Hopefully that's a good omen for the Swedes.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
David Baddiel, Frank Skinner and the Lightning Seeds( all Labour supporters as I recall) are hardly Screwdriver are they? Anyway Three Lions made the German charts, got adopted by German fans and attempts by UKIP to adopt it didnt get far.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Well I do hope you're right, however England are the better team and should win on paper. Hopefully the Swedes will do an Iceland.
I agree with you about Southgate, he does appear to be a reasonable chap, however the fickle nature of reporters and fans might not have been so complimentary if the disgraceful Columbia had won the penalty shoot out.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
As England was my host country for so many years, I wish them well. The arrogance of some supporters and media commentatros gets a bit tedios, though.
If I can stay awake, I'll watch it.
Anyways, good luck. And if you're reading this tomorrow; thoughts & prayers.
If I can stay awake, I'll watch it.
Anyways, good luck. And if you're reading this tomorrow; thoughts & prayers.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh there was rioting in London after England went outlol, I had to do a double take there before realising that "ungerman cars" meant "non German cars".
I didn't see any rioting personally only what was reported on the news, and a brief encounter with pissed up irate England fans hitting my car outside a pub on the Addiscombe Road, however it was widely reported at the time that England fans were directing their ire specifically at anything German, including a poor Russian man who got stabbed after being mistaken for a German.
"Yet for the English press, particularly the tabloids, the big international contest is often an opportunity to broadcast cultural prejudices and circulate jingoistic sentiment. Arguably, one of the most telling and alarming examples of recent times was the press coverage of Euro ’96. Persistently vitriolic and hateful in nature, the coverage provoked many complaints from the public and led to a report by the National Heritage Select Committee which expressed its disgust at the “xenophobic, chauvinistic and jingoistic gutter journalism” of the tabloids. The report also suggested inflammatory links between such coverage and rioting that occurred following the England-Germany semi-final (violence in Trafalgar Square saw, along with damage to German-made motor cars, an English mob set upon, and seriously injure, a Russian bystander mistaken for being German)."
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Hopefully we've since moved on from all that nonsense, and Saabs, Volvos and Ikea won't be targets of English hooliganism should the Swedes win.
PS. I've just heard on Danny Baker that on this day in 1971, Bjorn and Agnetha got married. Hopefully that's a good omen for the Swedes.
I think things are much, much better now.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Convert Ikea stores to frozen food outlets?
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
If you aren't English, don't support them. Fair enough.
ABE, though, makes you seem petty and bitter.
ABE, though, makes you seem petty and bitter.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think English nationalism is quite a broad spectrum tbh
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Agreed. It's like when, for example, a team is beaten and the supporters say they hope that the winner is beaten in the next game.
Surely you should be rooting for the team who were quality enough to beat you? As in, fair play to them, hope they go far?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yeah, same for the ABUs.
If you aren’t Mancunian, don’t support them. Fair enough.
Oh, wait.
I never say 'we' when referring to the English football team (or any national team) because I don't feel very nationalistically aligned (mix of Argentinian, Armenian, Irish but born here). Have 'supported' many teams depending on a range of criteria, but mostly accessibility and costs...and disliked even more teams for a whole variety of perceived crimes (the most egregious being plodding but also including cheats, horrible sports uniforms, dreary managers, negative play, politics, bad haircuts, or had a holiday and hated the place). Sharing a household with a person who has no such ambiguities (always England) has led to total hatred of the national team if feeling slighted by my sofa partner.
So far, have been supporting England...but if Henderson continues to witlessly pass the ball back to Pickford, that support will vanish.
So far, have been supporting England...but if Henderson continues to witlessly pass the ball back to Pickford, that support will vanish.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Well I am English (by birth anyway) and I don't support them at all (unless they're playing USA).
I'm proudly ABE, and from some of the reactions in this thread appears to generate a fair amount of petty bitterness from England supporters.
I'm not bitter at all, I just have a personal preference for England opponents in cricket and football in particular. As the previous poster indicated, it's just like how Tottenham fans will support anyone but Arsenal, even if Arsenal were the only English team in the Champions League.
Fans loyalties are weird like that.
ska invita
back on the other side
sure, its a hard question to answer without writing a book on it...
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Can someone point me to the part where the thread kicks of CBA reading all of it 
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Otherwise known as the 'Tofu's coming home' thread
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Yeah, that bit on the story of Euro 96 made me laugh - Ian Broudie, famous for bittersweet love songs, gets in Skinner and Baddiel to help cos they're 'Everyman' footie fans...and they write a bittersweet love song about supporting England.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Ewwwwwww...that UKIP song was fkin terrible.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which broudie stole off the ....and the native hipsters.
Anyone but middle class lads for me. Ruining fucking everything.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think there has always been a patriotic/nationalist type progressive trend in the working class that is also compatable with internationalism. Wouldn't necessarily recomend the content but things like the British Road to Socialism?
