Are we really going to sit by while they destroy the NHS?

[scalyboy]

They should make it illegal for MPs or their families to own shares in companies that are tendering for parts of the NHS.

'They' are the MPs!

 

[MrSki]

'They' are the MPs!

Yes & they should make it part of their procedures that they are not allowed to buy or sell shares whilst in office. I know these is fuck all chance of this happening but it should be the case to avoid any conflict of interest.

 

[nino_savatte]

I tried complaining to my MP about these changes. Being a tory he spins it all as a good thing. It's great to have more choice. This is bullshit: if i'm ill i want the best care available. I don't want a choice. All that means is the GP is compelled, by his manager/head of CCG, to buy from the cheapest service going - or from who the CCG is connected to financially.

Choice is one of neoliberalism's greatest illusions. It is claimed by NL's supporters that it leads to 'freedom'. It does nothing of the kind. It creates nothing but confusion and acts as a cover for rationalisations and privatisations.

 

[Pickman's model]

is the gist of the thread thus far 'yes'?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes & they should make it part of their procedures that they are not allowed to buy or sell shares whilst in office. I know these is fuck all chance of this happening but it should be the case to avoid any conflict of interest.

They've already constructed a perfect loophole by which to circumvent such tiresome rules. Blind trusts mean that (theoretically) the trustees of the trust invest your money, not you.
Of course, if you were to casually let slip to a trustee (usually an associate or relative, by the way) that Acme Logistics looked like a handy buy...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Choice is one of neoliberalism's greatest illusions. It is claimed by NL's supporters that it leads to 'freedom'. It does nothing of the kind. It creates nothing but confusion and acts as a cover for rationalisations and privatisations.

The other illusion, related to choice, being "equality".
This isn't, however, equality as in parity of access to services, it's equality in being able, if we wish and can afford to do so, to buy preferential access to services, because neoliberalism utterly discounts notions such as the effects of social capital on access.
Blair's much-touted "equality of opportunity" was likewise not "equality" as anyone not infected by the neoliberal virus would understand it.

 

[nino_savatte]

The other illusion, related to choice, being "equality".
This isn't, however, equality as in parity of access to services, it's equality in being able, if we wish and can afford to do so, to buy preferential access to services, because neoliberalism utterly discounts notions such as the effects of social capital on access.
Blair's much-touted "equality of opportunity" was likewise not "equality" as anyone not infected by the neoliberal virus would understand it.

Blair was fond of his cute little soundbites."Equality of opportunity" is just a meaningless phrase, like "aspirational socialism"... whatever the fuck that is.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The scum coalition government all deserve to be put up against a wall for this alone, as do their collaborators in the media and think tanks who shill for the bloodsucking parasites that now infest our health service.

 

[treelover]

There is a national 'save the nhs' event marching across the UK, but its in late August and will sadly probably be invisible/unreported.

 

[Awesome Wells]

If we end up like this I'll throw myself under a bus:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/0...line-now-the-whole-world-is-talking-about-it/

 

[Awesome Wells]

The scum coalition government all deserve to be put up against a wall for this alone, as do their collaborators in the media and think tanks who shill for the bloodsucking parasites that now infest our health service.

People will just end up blocking their GP surgeries and AnE wards because they won't know what else to do. They certainly won't be whipping out their cheque books writing cheques for thousands to pay for health care. The whole thing will be a disaster. Of course by that point, the Lords and Ladies making money from all this will have already profited.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Choice is one of neoliberalism's greatest illusions. It is claimed by NL's supporters that it leads to 'freedom'. It does nothing of the kind. It creates nothing but confusion and acts as a cover for rationalisations and privatisations.

I remember reading an article a while ago about some government figures that apparently supported the idea of choice in hospitals. The metric they'd used to measure it was treatment for heart attacks.

 

[scalyboy]

There is a national 'save the nhs' event marching across the UK, but its in late August and will sadly probably be invisible/unreported.

I'll go anyway, just so I can say to myself in years to come that I did. I was at a hospital this AM - the signs of decay and privatisation were abundant. It is pitiful what is happening I'm guessing that their plan has been to run it down so much that anyone with any income will take out private health cover, and leave the NHS as a service of last resort for the poor, just like in the good ol' US of A.

 

[shagnasty]

In Barnet today and amount of sophisticated gear they spend shedloads of money no wonder the scum want to get their hands on it

 

[scalyboy]

In Barnet today and amount of sophisticated gear they spend shedloads of money no wonder the scum want to get their hands on it

Isn't Barnet one of the new hospitals built under Labour, when Brown was Chancellor? I like Barnet, it has an efficient feel to it, certainly compared to the old building, which was literally a Victorian workhouse

 

[two sheds]

A view of what's in store for us:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/hospital-bills-man-9000-bandage-cut-finger

A New Jersey teacher received some serious sticker shock recently after a trip to the hospital for a relatively minor finger injury, NBC New York Reports.

Baer Hanusz-Rajkowski split open his finger last August with the claw end of a hammer. Hanusz-Rajkowski waited several days to see if the wound would close on its own, but it never did. He decided to visit the hospital to see if stitches were needed.

During his emergency room visit at Bayonne Medical Center, doctors told him stitches wouldn’t be necessary. Hanusz-Rajkowski was given a tetanus shot and his wound was cleaned and bandaged. He went home and expected to receive a relatively small bill in the mail for his visit.

 

[treelover]

'Flash choir' Bristol in support of the NHS.

 

[Pickman's model]

If we end up like this I'll throw myself under a bus:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/0...line-now-the-whole-world-is-talking-about-it/

you can't do that, not least because you've promised to throw yourself off a cliff if the tories win http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/why-labour-are-scum.305954/page-31#post-13261905

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't Barnet one of the new hospitals built under Labour, when Brown was Chancellor? I like Barnet, it has an efficient feel to it, certainly compared to the old building, which was literally a Victorian workhouse

hackney hospital formerly a workhouse
st leonards hospital, kingsland road, formerly a workhouse
and there are, as you say, others.

 

[treelover]

NHS protest camp and a new Jarrow march - whatever it takes to save our hospitals

Jos Bell 12 August 2014
Late summer brings a surge of protest against plans to close down swathes of hospital provision, even as its revealed a growing lack of beds means patients are waiting hours in ambulances.


This weekend a health-related camp issued a plea.
'Urgent appeal for long metal pins and heavy duty guy ropes/draw ropes - urgently needed at camp!'
Not a plea from Medical Aid for Palestine in ravaged Gaza, but from the ‘accidental camp' set up in the Hunt-stricken Stafford Hospital, now facing an additional threat from the remnants of Hurricane Bertha.
Just a few short years ago, none would have believed it possible that a community would need to defend a hospital in this way.
But the cuts are biting.
Public health is crumbling. This week hospitals have reported a 71% rise in patients admitted suffering from malnutrition since 2010, including a 31% rise in the yesteryear Vitamin C deficiency disease, scurvy. Echoes of Daniel Defoe and Proust in the 21st century.
We learn too that the equivalent of three early intervention Sure Start centres have been closed each week since the election. 623 communities with reduced life chances and the loss of important public health projects.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournh...march-whatever-it-takes-to-save-our-hospitals

Call out

 

[treelover]

Is there yet still time to save our NHS? This is certainly no time for prevarication. On 16th August campaigners will set out from Darlington in a fight to preserve the very best our public sector has to offer.
The 999 March for the NHS will set out to replicate the Jarrow Marchers route - landing in Parliament Square on the afternoon of 6th September. It's the brainchild of a group of 'Darlo Mums' who invite us all to join in for a mile, 10 miles or even for the full 300, with all ages welome.

700 mothers to recreate Jarrow march in protest at NHS 'privatisation'
Seventy-eight years after the original Jarrow crusaders marched to parliament to protest against mass unemployment, a group of women, led by a call centre worker from County Durham, will retrace their steps to fight for universal, free health care. Andrew Musgrove reports

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-jarrow-march-to-protest-at-nhs-privatisation

Starting from Jarrow tomorrow, please publicise, August is not a good month for publicity, etc, but I imagine its the best time for Darlo Mums.

hope ch4 cover it at least

 

[fucthest8]

Done, shared it everywhere I can

 

[Doctor Carrot]

FFS, 6.1% of the budget spent on selling it off to private vultures.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30397329

 

[Sprocket.]

Disgraceful.

 

[Greebo]

FFS, 6.1% of the budget spent on selling it off to private vultures. <snip>

WTAF?

 

[Serotonin]

FFS, 6.1% of the budget spent on selling it off to private vultures.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30397329

Thats only the start. The Health and Social care act will ensure that within another 5 to 10 years it will be at least 30%

 

[StoneRoad]

Privatisation by the back door .................

or go private to jump queues that only exist because ..... and far too much is spent on "admin executives" and posh offices.

(At the weekend took OH to out-of-hours GP appointment at local hospital - urgent as severe pain in gut - we had first appointment at 1200, not seen until 25 past! and no one else waiting, team of three staff doing nowt.)

 

[mwgdrwg]

Privatisation by the back door .................

or go private to jump queues that only exist because ..... and far too much is spent on "admin executives" and posh offices.

(At the weekend took OH to out-of-hours GP appointment at local hospital - urgent as severe pain in gut - we had first appointment at 1200, not seen until 25 past! and no one else waiting, team of three staff doing nowt.)

As we're throwing out anecdotes about NHS staff...my wife is a nurse and works herself to the bone and is under constant stress and exhaustion because of severe understaffing.

 

[butchersapron]

Anyone confirm if this is real?

 

[nino_savatte]

Anyone confirm if this is real?

ITV claimed to have the story but if you go to their website, it isn't there.

Page not found
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http://www.itv.com/news/west/update/2014-12-20/banner-on-suspension-bridge-do-not-destroy-nhs/