brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'm not clear why they're paying out the $95m, then?
Apple is to pay $95m to settle Siri 'listening' lawsuit
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Apple has previously been successfully sued for overly-complex T&Cs that it was judged no one could ever possibly be expected to read, let alone understand. They still try it on though, they just have too much money.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I'd say the paltry sum involved is the reason. It's half a day's profit.
tommers
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I saw something recently that was quite convincing in saying that these devices aren't sat there listening to everything, but marketing is so all pervasive and tracking everything you do on the Internet that it sends you adverts for stuff you don't even know you want yet. You don't need to talk about it, you just notice it when it happens. The amount of processing needed to record everything you're saying is absurd.
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wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
the moment the apple word crossed your brain is when you accepted the T&C according to the apple T&C, IIRC
Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
Did what Snowden risked all to reveal change anything?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yeah, it's not magic this stuff. You search for socks, they try and sell you socks.
Sometimes they try and sell you stuff you mentioned to someone else, but didn't actually type into any machine. And you think this least absurd explanation for that is that marketing algorithms that are extremely crude and obvious the rest of the time have somehow pulled off a feat of precognition?
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
I remember a news story airing during my first visit to San Fernando telling of a local man who after being hit by a car whilst riding his bicycle one night was sueing the store that sold it to him for omitting to tell him there were no lights fitted to the bicycle he had bought.
This was 30 years ago
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Well, I think it isn't that they're deliberately breaking multiple laws and listening to everybody's conversations so that one of their partners can send you an advert for a shoe rack.
Or that this happens without anybody from Apple, their partners or the data centres involved ever saying "well, actually". There was a whistle blower a few years ago, but that was specifically about recordings being shared with QA teams. AFAIK nobody else has ever said anything about this massive privacy violation of almost everybody in the western world.
It's one of those coincidences that you notice when it happens. You talk about stuff near a Google device or an Apple device or whatever all the time and don't see any adverts for anything.
I do think that it records you when you activate it, that it can activate when you don't mean it to, and that everything you do is tracked - up to and including your location at all times when you have your phone or watch or whatever with you (which means "they" can see where you eat, which shops you buy from and therefore likely what you are buying). I think that, amongst other things, everything you look at on the Internet, everything you type, everything you type and then delete, the precise sequence of pages you go to, the exact amount of time you spend on each one, what you look at on social media, what you pause on and what you scoot through, what you play on Spotify, what you read on kindle, any game that you play (and your behaviour within that game and your tech set up), anywhere you drive to using a route finder, anywhere you walk to using directions on Google maps, and what you watch on any streaming service and for how long is all tracked - and that data is either used by the companies involved or sold on to partners. And that maybe people should be worried about that rather than secret spying devices hearing them talking about their trainers. I guess the point is that they don't need to break laws in order to know everything about you cos they already do. Setting up some device to secretly record every conversation anybody ever has is a ridiculously inefficient way of getting that data.
I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, I often am, but that's how it seems to me.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I visited my brother-in-law twice for three days each time last year. Towards the end of the last visit I discovered that Siri had been listening all along. So wherever we go something may well be eavesdropping without our knowledge or consent. The person who installed Siri may be as happy as Larry about it, but what about ME?
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
I hadn't heard of tracking pixels before.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Pretty fucked up.
Spy pixel - Wikipedia
Pretty fucked up.
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
How did you know that?
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
No excuse for stupidity but it's worth remembering in these cases that with healthcare how it is in America, people are more to sue to cover these costs.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
He asked Siri a question while I was there, so I asked him all about it.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Indeed, and therefore I don't have one
Of course it's all very well people not saying they won't have one of these, but they carry a smartphone, it's basically the same thing.
Not saying you do, but I've certainly met people with this view.
2hats
Dust.
"If the image is downloaded". Never enable automatic downloading of any images (or execution of any HTML, javascript, etc) in an email client. Don't use one that doesn't offer this option (or outright ignore it out of the box). It's a basic security measure (aside from tracking, it can be leveraged, through bugs in supporting libraries/applications, to compromise a device).
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I don't understand. Are you saying Siri recorded everything you said along your journey?
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
What I said was that Siri was eavesdropping the whole time I was there, initially without my knowledge and certainly without my permission.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
If your concerned about this (and I can understand why) then you can extend this concern to almost every person carrying a smartphone.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Define eavesdropping.
Are you suggesting it was transmitting everything you said back to Apple? Or, as is the case, it was waiting for someone to say "Hey Siri", then transmitting the subsequent audio back to Apple?
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
I mean people with apple watches record their heart rates, blood oxygen levels, sleep patterns and quite literally every step they take.
Prison tags are just location.
"oh no, they've sent me an advert for centre parcs and I was just talking about centre parcs!"
"mate, we know you were slightly anxious 2hrs and 12 mins ago, for precisely 345 seconds"
Prison tags are just location.
"oh no, they've sent me an advert for centre parcs and I was just talking about centre parcs!"
"mate, we know you were slightly anxious 2hrs and 12 mins ago, for precisely 345 seconds"
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Well who knows? I suppose I could always ask Siri, but I don't intend doing that.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Well, I know
I know that it doesn't transmit any data back to base unless and until it hears the wake word, so the only eavesdropping it was doing was having its microphone active to listen for its wake word... exactly what it says on the tin 
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