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Apple is to pay $95m to settle Siri 'listening' lawsuit

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Everyone knows all these echo, Alexa etc gizmos are always listening but now Apple is to pay $95m to settle Siri 'listening' lawsuit.​

Apparently Apple don't admit any liability

The tech giant was accused of eavesdropping on its customers through its virtual assistant Siri.

The claimants also allege voice recordings were shared with advertisers.

Apple, which has not admitted any wrongdoing, has been approached for comment.

 
I had a conversation with an Alexa over the break, it went something like this

Hey Alexa I know you are always listening
Yes
If there was domestic violence going on in this room, you would hear it but would you do something about it?
I am not able to discuss complex questions like this, sorry
 

Everyone knows all these echo, Alexa etc gizmos are always listening but now Apple is to pay $95m to settle Siri 'listening' lawsuit.​

Apparently Apple don't admit any liability



Such devices are supposed to listen, but sharing those recordings with advertisers is really really shitty.
 
I'm shocked, shocked mind you, that these things that were obviously invented to spy on people have been spying on people.
Spies these days are just bone-idle lazy.
Once upon a time, you had to attend of dreary meetings in cold rooms above pubs and in community centres to gather information.
 
It doesn't surprise me that the likes of Apple are selling these audio recordings. I'd be more surprised if they weren't, but none of these devices are constantly transmitting your audio conversations back to base. They're always "listening" for a wake word. Nothing is transmitted to the mothership until they "hear" that wake word. There is a margin of error built in, so things that sound even remotely close to the wake word will activate recording. I used to "wake" a Google device with "Hey Dougal" and no doubt Apple will exploit this, because Apple.
If you don't want your data sold, don't entrust it to the likes of Apple/ Google/Amazon.
 
Such devices are supposed to listen, but sharing those recordings with advertisers is really really shitty.

Maybe this explains all that stuff about people discussing things, then seeing related ads on Facebook. The Facebook app itself wasn't listening but perhaps Siri is/was and FB have bought the data from Apple.

All dirty bastards.
 
I don't know about Siri, I am not into Apple, but a few people I know have Alexa.
I have A load of Alexafied devices around the house. Do I think some things I say will get sent back to Amazon without my knowledge? Absolutely! Alexa has sprung into action on loads of occasions without being asked to. Do I gave a shit? Of course I don't, or I wouldn't have Alexafied devices in my house.
If you own one of these things, you have to assume it's going to "hear" something you didn't want it to. If that bothers people, they shouldn't own a device that's designed specifically to listen to you and send that data back to someone who spent millions designing the device to monetise your voice :facepalm:
 
I have A load of Alexafied devices around the house. Do I think some things I say will get sent back to Amazon without my knowledge? Absolutely! Alexa has sprung into action on loads of occasions without being asked to. Do I gave a shit? Of course I don't, or I wouldn't have Alexafied devices in my house.
If you own one of these things, you have to assume it's going to "hear" something you didn't want it to. If that bothers people, they shouldn't own a device that's designed specifically to listen to you and send that data back to someone who spent millions designing the device to monetise your voice :facepalm:
Indeed, and therefore I don't have one :)
 
Imagine owning one and complaining when it does what it was designed to do. Only in America. The land of litigation.
Incidentally, we used to have hundreds of Amazon bots crawling Urban but now there are none, editor did you block them I wonder? Good move if you did btw. eta oh no, just checked and they are back.
 
Incidentally, we used to have hundreds of Amazon bots crawling Urban but now there are none, editor did you block them I wonder? Good move if you did btw. eta oh no, just checked and they are back.
Bots are fairly easy to block, if you want to block them. A robots.txt file sorts the legit ones, while .htaccess entries sort the rest.
 
Imagine owning one and complaining when it does what it was designed to do. Only in America. The land of litigation.
Knowing absolutely nothing about this process, my question would be...was this level of surveillance made clear to consumers before they bought the product?
 
Knowing absolutely nothing about this process, my question would be...was this level of surveillance made clear to consumers before they bought the product?
I strongly doubt that anybody sat them down and explained exactly how the device works, but if a motorbike dealer doesn't explain to me that pinning the throttle on a superbike could result in serious pain, can I sue them if I take the bike from the showroom, pin the throttle and crash through the wall of a nearby KFC?
We shouldn't be rewarding stupidity.
Reminds me of the guy who bought a new motorhome, then crashed it on the highway after applying cruise control and climbing in the back to make a coffee... and suing the seller for not telling him that cruise control didn't mean auto pilot.
 
I don't understand your point.
You said "Spies these days are just bone-idle lazy."

I countered with that image which showed that OpenAI's robot was crawling Urban75 at that moment to teach itself what we know and what we discuss. Couldn't be easier to hoover up everything we say on here. So in a way, yes they are bone idle ..
 
You said "Spies these days are just bone-idle lazy."

I countered with that image which showed that OpenAI's robot was crawling Urban75 at that moment to teach itself what we know and what we discuss. Couldn't be easier to hoover up everything we say on here. So in a way, yes they are bone idle ..
I am very ignorant I did not know that that is what it meant. Blimey.
 
I am very ignorant I did not know that that is what it meant. Blimey.
No worries. There are loads of these robots that crawl sites like Urban, the most potentially straight forward being googlebot which reads our content in exchange for sending search visitors from Google. However even Google is starting to regurgitate website's content on Google search results pages without always crediting the original website.
 
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No worries. There are loads of these robots that crawl sites like Urban, the most potentially straight forward being googlebot which reads our content in exchange for sending search visitors from Google. However even Google is starting to regurgitate website's content on Google search results pages without always crediting the original website.
I can understand allowing Google to crawl the site, as you're getting something in return, but I have no idea what benefit comes from allowing Amazon bots. I'd be telling them to fuck right off.
 
I strongly doubt that anybody sat them down and explained exactly how the device works, but if a motorbike dealer doesn't explain to me that pinning the throttle on a superbike could result in serious pain, can I sue them if I take the bike from the showroom, pin the throttle and crash through the wall of a nearby KFC?
We shouldn't be rewarding stupidity.
Reminds me of the guy who bought a new motorhome, then crashed it on the highway after applying cruise control and climbing in the back to make a coffee... and suing the seller for not telling him that cruise control didn't mean auto pilot.
I'm not convinced those comparisons, tbh. Knowing the screeds of agreement T&Cs that accompany anything IT, I'd imagine that the corporations involved in the spying would claim that the consumers had agreed to it?
 
I'm not convinced those comparisons, tbh. Knowing the screeds of agreement T&Cs that accompany anything IT, I'd imagine that the corporations involved in the spying would claim that the consumers had agreed to it?
It's Apple. Buried deep in their T&C will be a page that states you've agreed to the T&C the moment you switch the phone on.
 
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