Probably small consolation to you, but in my busiest weeks when I've ended up running on caffeine and adrenaline, the idea of having somebody else (be they male or female) to do my running around for me has never looked so appealing.
Apparently, Feminism is dead!!!
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Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
It's not the only source suggesting that younger women are increasingly more likely to dissociate themselves with feminism
Be interesting if that effect would be seen on here, however. I suspect it wouldn't, although certainly in the past there have been female posters who would not call themselves feminists.
Thora
Differently Ethical
This survey wasn't done by Mumsnet.
Manter
Lunch Mob
This makes me so cross... There are a bunch of youngsters at work who say they aren't feminists- but they have proper jobs, they can keep them when they marry, they can choose whether to marry or not, they can keep their own property if they marry, they can shag who they want before they marry, they can have children outside marriage.... They owe all of this to feminism. And yet they say 'oh, feminists were all really angry and didn't like being feminine and having fun- that whole burn your bra thing' (paraphrasing but the gist of a conversation I had).... WTF?It's not the only source suggesting that younger women are increasingly more likely to dissociate themselves with feminism
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Didn't particularly feel it was appropriate to "like" your post given you're sharing shitty experiences, but I did like this bit...
You should have seen what happened to the colleague who waved the kettle at me because he wanted a cuppa...
If feminism is declared dead on the basis not just of what mums (and no other women) say, but also on the basis of what only mums on Netmums say, then that's riddled with far more statistical/methological flaws then your average opinion poll.
To say the least.
Apols if the same point has already been repeatedly made earlier up, but I came to this thread very late.
To say the least.
Apols if the same point has already been repeatedly made earlier up, but I came to this thread very late.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
What did happen to him?You should have seen what happened to the colleague who waved the kettle at me because he wanted a cuppa...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's a bit dangerous to put such things down to a single cause like that. I think the single biggest factor in changes in sexual attitudes, for instance, is a technological change - the pill. For the first time really, women could take charge of their own contraception.
Manter
Lunch Mob
I was in a meeting where the man running looked at me and said 'coffee?'You should have seen what happened to the colleague who waved the kettle at me because he wanted a cuppa...
I said yes please, white, and went back to setting up my laptop ;-)
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Nothing.
But in my head he ended up with a kettle up his arse. I'm just not very brave, that's why I end up seething and writing about it on here. He was visiting my office to visit 2 of my male colleagues. I didn't feel like I could say anything, after all I am the secretary.In fact, when you think about it, tea and coffee making in the office is also a feminist issue in a way.
Manter
Lunch Mob
But would any of it have happened without feminism? We forget how bad it was when a woman wasn't even allowed a bank account without her father or husband standing guarantor... When the pill was first released, it was not available to married women who had children- that attitude was what feminism challenged
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Yep, and also the fact that girls are conditioned to not assert their needs, feelings and rights. Which isn't to say that no women don't, or that no men find this difficult (individual factors have a part to play), but as a general trend I think it's acurate. Even some apparently quite outspoken women I know will sometimes let things like this slide because they don't feel as though they can speak up.Nothing.
In fact, when you think about it, tea and coffee making in the office is also a feminist issue in a way.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Yeah, I'm quite confident and outspoken irl but a group of men can - and have - frequently left me feeling as though if I assert an opinion I would end up becoming a laughing stock. Sometimes it's easier just to keep your gob shut. I could hear my inner feminist shouting as I typed that, but it's true.
Manter
Lunch Mob
F*ck yes.... Women I work with, hugely impressive, experienced, clever and no nonsense, can face down the board of an international company....is emotionally bullied by her husband. It's almost like she's compensating for being 'unfeminine'
Manter
Lunch Mob
I went to all girls school. I never want to end up in an all female environment again.... It isn't men per se that are the issue, just a bunch of social stuff, some men, some assumptions etcSometimes I am glad to work in an all female workplace
FWIW having gone to a mixed sex school where some subjects were single sex for the first few years, a lot of the time there was less overt sexism from the teachers than from other pupils, but when it was there it was extremely noticeable.
trashpony
Hag
Netmums who ran this survey (and chose this god-awful fucking font - they should be shot for that alone) is largely populated by women who like sparkly things and have tickers saying that it's 3 years 2 weeks and 4 days since they got married/had a baby/last had a shag.
I think feminism makes a lot of women feel massively uncomfortable because it challenges everything that their world is built around. The fact that the system you favour is absolutely undermining you is a pretty difficult concept.
I think feminism makes a lot of women feel massively uncomfortable because it challenges everything that their world is built around. The fact that the system you favour is absolutely undermining you is a pretty difficult concept.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I think that in some cases it's easier to denigrate feminism or minimize the role it played and plays in "real life" than to acknowledge how my h you owe it. Fuck, it's less than forty years ago that equal pay (hah!) was legislated, and yet how many of these fluffy pink non-feminists acknowledge that?
revol68
what, fucking what?
the kind of people whose only posts on facebook are about their snot nosed kids, as if anyone gives a fuck.
maybe I'm a bad person but I really couldn't give two shits about your sprogs, or if "your man" is taking you away to some shitty spa, post about something outside the banal private realm please, something other people can engage with. I'd rather your thoughts on xfactor than hear about what your little shit had for dinner, christ I even find photos of your cat more interesting.
as you can tell I'm just filled with paternal instincts.
*stifles the urge to head for the decontamination shower after agreeing with revol68* I don't hate children, what I hate is being expected to know where the nearest softplay area is just because I've got ovaries. What are they - sat nav combined with the yellow pages?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Here's a timely reminder of why feminism isn't dead
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-20015793
Also women are much more likely to find themselves dependent on their partners during periods of unemployment, due to being far more likely to work in part-time, low-waged jobs and not earning enough to pay contributions therefore being unable to get JSA in their own right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-20015793
Also women are much more likely to find themselves dependent on their partners during periods of unemployment, due to being far more likely to work in part-time, low-waged jobs and not earning enough to pay contributions therefore being unable to get JSA in their own right.
Why be facebook friends with people you don't like?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Bloody confusing if you ask me.
Because FB friends aren't necessarily the same as RL friends, the same as messageboard friends and foes (the way some boards label people you PM a lot or have put on "ignore") aren't RL friends and foes. *this message was sponsored by the blindingly obvious*
My manager at work is like that with the 'friends.'
Oh I know all of mine. But I'd hardly call godchildren (who are mine by dint of being the partner of somebody who's officially godfather to the eldest of half a dozen, and godfather to the rest out of fairness) friends. Even if they are the children of friends. Well maybe not so much friends as people who can call on me in an emergency and that goes both ways. *FFS stop digging!*
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