A "bad seed" suggests that someone has a congenital predisposition to be a wrong-doer. Literally bad semen.
Another spoiled little man goes a US gun rampage (six people murdered in Santa Barbara)
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Johnny Canuck3
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To me it suggests a novel written by William March, and has nothing to do with semen.
skyscraper101
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Here's a map of events as it happened:
A book that is about the concept of nature vs nurture, so pretty much has a lot to do with semen (in the sense of seed), and thus the book's title.
ice-is-forming
I was born naked, shameless & fucking outrageous..
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goldenecitrone
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An emotional speech from the father of Chris Martinez, one of the victims. Heart-breaking stuff. 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27562743
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27562743
Johnny Canuck3
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I'm not going to watch that, but let me guess: he's pretty upset?
Trust the media to deliver the news.
Trust the media to deliver the news.
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
and a knife seeing as he stabbed his first 3 victims to death, lets ban them aswell eh!
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
No evidence of psychosis in his video that I could see?
skyscraper101
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He's pretty scathing of the guns laws and cites the NRA.
the evil villain chuckle he has in the video is, well, weird.
of course he is, indeed, a dicksplash. I wonder, tho, whether he and the other shooters are a symptom of something else which is even more sick. i don't mean just the gun laws in the US, but something in the society itself. I mean, the kind of hedonism where everybody is supposed to be happy and at it all the time etc. ,and feeling like a failure. like pharell william's happy, but all the time, and you're just not feeling it. then again, on the other hand, with all the cash he has, why didn't just go to the red light and see a pro? he is a dickshite.
of course he is, indeed, a dicksplash. I wonder, tho, whether he and the other shooters are a symptom of something else which is even more sick. i don't mean just the gun laws in the US, but something in the society itself. I mean, the kind of hedonism where everybody is supposed to be happy and at it all the time etc. ,and feeling like a failure. like pharell william's happy, but all the time, and you're just not feeling it. then again, on the other hand, with all the cash he has, why didn't just go to the red light and see a pro? he is a dickshite.
If people insist on this cunt with free will vs nutter framework for thinking about this, the argument will just go round and round as it always does.
I don't understand why Johnny Canuck3 's point isn't clear. It seems to me that he's saying that whether or not you can say that someone is mentally ill in the sense that they would receive a medical diagnosis from a psychiatrist (just one way of viewing and categorising the experience of emotional and psychological distress), we are all the sum of our experiences, and none of us have free will. He's saying, I think, that if you're not going to consider this man's emotional disturbance as just that and instead call him just a cunt then you may aswell as be saying some people are born bad or evil.
I don't understand why Johnny Canuck3 's point isn't clear. It seems to me that he's saying that whether or not you can say that someone is mentally ill in the sense that they would receive a medical diagnosis from a psychiatrist (just one way of viewing and categorising the experience of emotional and psychological distress), we are all the sum of our experiences, and none of us have free will. He's saying, I think, that if you're not going to consider this man's emotional disturbance as just that and instead call him just a cunt then you may aswell as be saying some people are born bad or evil.
maomao
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Would have rather had him stand trial in public for the 6 murders.
Treacle Toes
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Isn't the point that most of us can feel happy or find something to be happy about despite all the other shit going on in the world and the shortcomings of our own lives?
IME it is far more common to turn self-pity/loathing and anger in on oneself than to externalise it.
This person did have a lot going for him, in terms of his situation and opportunities. His focus and priorities though were to destroy the things he couldn't have or control.
I am still taken by the fact he could'nt see that he wasn't alone and shared similar experiences with others. That despite his unhappiness, there were still things worth be happy about and that there is hope. That speaks volumes to me about this case. He wanted it all or nothing. Also yes, there are hedonistic, priviledged and mysogonistic elements to his narrative.
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muscovyduck
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No, he's saying misogyny isn't an important element in this. I know this because EVERY SINGLE THREAD about misogyny has him trying to make out it's not the main issue or that it shouldn't be taken seriously.
Was he? That hasn't been my impression, but I'm aware that other people are of that opinion, I'll read his posts again. I'm pretty alert to misogyny and I don't think that misogyny is the main issue either, I think that was a peg to hang his hatred on. In any case, he hated the world, not just women.
He has still argued what I post above and been seen to argue the opposite, which is what I was actually referring to.
SpineyNorman
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I don't believe in free will either. but free will and agency aren't the same thing - the choices we have are limited and not just by physical constraints but we do have a choice. you seem to want to get bogged down in semantics. I'm not sure that's helpful. evil, bad, cunt, whatever - his neorological makeup and the psychological impact of his life experiences of course played a role, and a very significant one, but he still could have chosen not to do it, as many people with similar conditions and similar life experiences manage to do.
Voley
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Same here. I doubt it was an option though.
ice-is-forming
I was born naked, shameless & fucking outrageous..
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Simliar, but not the same. Its all in the details..
Simliar, but not the same. Its all in the details..
Dont ask me why, but some goulish instinct made me look up maddy humpreys from hidden hill and i was so surprised when i got a hit!
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Exactly. Just what I was going to post.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
I made a post earlier in the thread which may have come across as flippant, suggesting that he had PD etc. It looks like I'm pathologising the person as a way of explaining his views and actions. Just to be clear, that's a bollocks line of thinking and isn't particularly helpful at this time, particularly when his victims lie dead.
Baseless speculation on my part, apologies.
Any cognitive or developmental issues this man faced still needs to be considered alongside the misogyny of his expressed views and his horrific actions. No amount of "explaining away" is ever sufficient, especially now this is being played out in the media.
I particularly regret my crass reference to Phil Collins, too.
Baseless speculation on my part, apologies.
Any cognitive or developmental issues this man faced still needs to be considered alongside the misogyny of his expressed views and his horrific actions. No amount of "explaining away" is ever sufficient, especially now this is being played out in the media.
I particularly regret my crass reference to Phil Collins, too.
Spot on. Even when 'diagnosed' the proper assessments have often not been carried out ime, just someone went on a course while Aspergers was a hot topic, then met a kid who was 'a bit odd' and the snowball rolled from there.
Just skimmed the first 40 pages of the manifesto and he seems to have a comparitively 'normal' childhood. (Although it could be considered a DM wankfest of parental separation and computer games).
Is Aspergers more commonly diagnosed in teenagers?
No one has done any explaining away ffs! Who has done that here?
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
I felt that my crass contribution could've been interpreted as such tbh, but maybe I'm being oversensitive...
ice-is-forming
I was born naked, shameless & fucking outrageous..
Its something that
Johnny Canuck3
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Not sure that those two are compatible: not believing in free will, but thinking that we do have a choice?
SpineyNorman
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of course not the same. no two people have exactly the same experiences and neurology. but you appear to be implying that We're all bound to act in a particular way as a result of biological and experiential factors. I completely reject that. he had a choice. his experiences/makeup may have made him less likely to make the right one but he could have acted otherwise. that he didn't makes him a cunt.
Treacle Toes
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Johnny Canuck3
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He had free will then?
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