butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The Groznying of East Ghouta - home to 400 000 - is about to begin.
As a note, and much of the reason I would like to get views from people with first hand experience, who is most prominent with claims of Assad's chemical weapons (WMD?), and who makes the claims about death squads?
The US?
U.S. Accuses Syria of New Chemical Weapons Use
Israel?
Israel said to fear Assad chemical weapons spillover into Golan Heights
How about the death squads? Oops, the Daily mail.
Syria massacre: The steroid-mad 'Ghost' killers who keep Assad in power | Daily Mail Online
These secretive death squads are on Youtube
This lot claim the CIA are behind the death squads - Lets face it, the CIA have a bit of a history of that sort of thing.
Syria: 'CIA death squads behind Syria bloodbath' | Pambazuka News
More of the same here
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/240801911296558475/
and so on.
The news is warped and twisted to suit whoever is writing or paying for the news so can't be trusted (Especially the Daily Mail), so I would like to know the truth before I offer too much comment.
Saying that, I tend to come down on the side of Assad using the 'ghosts', but that isn't to deny the CIA trained them, as that group has done with so many sets of bastards before Assad's lot.
Of course, you might want to believe everything you hear as long as it suits your position, but I prefer pravda.
I have no idea what they are actually trying to say.Is Don applauding/minimising what has been happening over the last 24 hours I wonder. Fucking psychopaths.
I have no idea what they are actually trying to say.
Just the odd hundred dead civilians in East Ghouta last night - that's going to be the average for some time yet. Haven't seen STWC or the PKK-anarchists out protesting yet.
The bristol involveds seem to be a rojava support group and nothing else.There was a meeting of a (new-ish) Kurdish Solidarity Network last weekend, be interested to see what they do/what knots they are going to tie themselves in over these new developments...
Stop watching the news
Why have you nothing but the US/Israeli press and the Daily mail to work from? You're posting on a thread with 9000 posts and 1000s of links to news reports, investigations and substantive analysis. And it's one of three or four similar threads on here. Just do the research.If I am to form a defensible, well thought out opinion on this or any subject, I first need to find out the truth.
If I have nothing to work from but the US/Israeli press and the Daily mail, I can't form any valid opinions because those sources can't be trusted and the fact the secret death squads are on you tube suggests they either aren't very secret or someone is faking stuff.
I have a base opinion that isn't very nice to Assad, but I can't prove my gut thoughts because I can't find reliable witness.
Jesus H christ, you only have to take the time to read back through this thread, there are plenty of reliable witness accounts linked to by many posters. Oh I see BA has beaten me to it. My point and his still stands though.If I am to form a defensible, well thought out opinion on this or any subject, I first need to find out the truth.
If I have nothing to work from but the US/Israeli press and the Daily mail, I can't form any valid opinions because those sources can't be trusted and the fact the secret death squads are on you tube suggests they either aren't very secret or someone is faking stuff.
I have a base opinion that isn't very nice to Assad, but I can't prove my gut thoughts because I can't find reliable witness.
Why have you nothing but the US/Israeli press and the Daily mail to work from? You're posting on a thread with 9000 posts and 1000s of links to news reports, investigations and substantive analysis. And it's one of three or four similar threads on here. Just do the research.
Who is actually responsible for gas attacks, if they ever actually happened.
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Pravda, or just happy to believe any shit that suits you?
that's more comradely than I managed, the last two books mentioned I've read, seconded. Get reading Don.I have no idea why the repetition of pravada in your posts is there. I know what the word means and i understand the concept means - but it has no relevance to my posts on this thread.
The uprising is 7 years old to the month. Most accounts date it to 15th march 2011 - the date that protesters first appeared on the streets of damascus - but there had been ongoing protests since jan 26th when Hasan Ali Akleh set himself on fire in al-Hasakah. In fact those initial protests were to demand the release of people detained and tortured for participating in prior protests. In the intervening 7 years there has been million sof words wrote on exactly those sort of questions you ask. The four books i would recommend you read in formulating your own answers are:
Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War Paperback – Robin Yassin-Kassab and Leila Al-Shami
Khiyana: Daesh, the Left and the Unmaking of the Syrian Revolution Paperback – Jules Alford (Editor), Andy WIlson (Editor)
The Impossible Revolution: Making Sense of the Syrian Tragedy Paperback – Yassin al-Haj Saleh
The Syrian Jihad: Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and the Evolution of an Insurgency Paperback – Charles R. Lister
Incidentally, there will be the annual march in london next month in solidarity with the uprising. There will barely be a few hundred people there. Mostly syrian exiles. There will be no left contingent, no organised homegrown support for the revolutionary ideals of the Local Coordination Committees of Syria and other progressive developments within the uprising. The very same day, every leftist and liberal in london and many from outside (the ones not watching the england ireland game anyway) will be on the march against racism - thousands and thousands. This, and the silence about East Ghouta whilst shouting about Afrin is a good example of what Leila Al Shami calls selective solidarity.
Get fucked
The uprising is 7 years old to the month. Most accounts date it to 15th march 2011 - the date that protesters first appeared on the streets of damascus - but there had been ongoing protests since jan 26th when Hasan Ali Akleh set himself on fire in al-Hasakah. In fact those initial protests were to demand the release of people detained and tortured for participating in prior protests. In the intervening 7 years there has been millions of words wrote on exactly those sort of questions you ask. The four books i would recommend you read in formulating your own answers are:
Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War Paperback – Robin Yassin-Kassab and Leila Al-Shami
Khiyana: Daesh, the Left and the Unmaking of the Syrian Revolution Paperback – Jules Alford (Editor), Andy WIlson (Editor)
The Impossible Revolution: Making Sense of the Syrian Tragedy Paperback – Yassin al-Haj Saleh
The Syrian Jihad: Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and the Evolution of an Insurgency Paperback – Charles R. Lister
I have no idea why the repetition of pravada in your posts is there. I know what the word means and i understand what the concept means - but it has no relevance to my posts on this thread.
Personally it's starting to look like yet another transparent troll attempting to divert attention away from current events. It's not like this hasn't been gone over at length before on this thread and the links are all there. Moreover gas attacks were meant to be a 'red line' for the US but when they happened nothing was done by the Obama administration. Meanwhile carnage is and has been wrought with conventional weaponry on a far greater scale than the gas attacks.
You don't appear to have any idea of what the evidence is. And you are conflating different chemical attacks. Stop posting on this until you've done some proper research.A troll is now defined as someone attempting to learn the truth, even if he or she is equally against the person you also claim to attack.
The 'red line' was stated by Obama but they have offered no real evidence, and not even close enough to convince the public in a post WMD bullshit world. Yes, Assad is a bastard, and yes, he very probably would use chemical weapons, but that doesn't mean he actually did in the many cases we hear off, more so considering the poor quality evidence we have to 'prove' it.
If, as you repeatedly insist, you are ill-informed and lacking in background knowledge of the conflict, then why are you posting ill-informed contributions lacking in basic background knowledge? Why aren't you cracking on with getting informed?
Personally it's starting to look like yet another transparent troll attempting to divert attention away from current events. It's not like this hasn't been gone over at length before on this thread and the links are all there. Moreover gas attacks were meant to be a 'red line' for the US but when they happened nothing was done by the Obama administration. Meanwhile carnage is and has been wrought with conventional weaponry on a far greater scale than the gas attacks.
As you've already stated, that Sarin was used has been confirmed by autopsy reports etc. Mushroom clouds are made up of debris and smoke etc, caused by the impact so it would hardly be colourless.Thanks for that.
I'm unsure who committed these crimes, or even if they weren't set up for the cameras as I have no reliable sources.
Remember how flight 665 was heading towards the ship and not responding to radio warnings? I wonder how many people believed that total shit.
As for these gas attacks, Tillison is using 'suspected gas attacks' and blaming Russia for their use because it supports Syria, but Russia says they hit a rebel weapons facility, that causing the gas to be released. Eye witness reports talk of a cloud of yellow something, but sarin (The claimed agent in that case) is colourless.
So, assuming deaths from sarin occurred, and post morts seems to suggest they did, there are two credible stories as to how the gas was released. Other reports have witness statements about helicopters dropping chemical agents but the timing is hours out when compared to other evidence. Then we come to who claims the attacks happened, and they are all US funded groups.
Poor quality mustard gas, thought to be used by the rebels, is yellow.
So, if Sarin was used, why do eye witness reports claim it was yellow?
I remain convinced Assad is duff in a million ways, but that doesn't mean I blindly accept any shit claimed against him, especially when the shit's evidence is full of contradictions and comes from people being well paid by the Americans but don't know the details of the US claims they're supporting, get important details wrong, and can't seen to get their times right.
"Get fucked" is a poor argument, offering nothing to convince anyone of the validity of your argument. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
You don't appear to have any idea of what the evidence is. And you are conflating different chemical attacks. Stop posting on this until you've done some proper research.
The explosion sent a yellow mushroom cloud into the air that stung her eyes. "It was like a winter fog," she said. She sheltered in her home, but recalled that when people started arriving to help the wounded, "they inhaled the gas and died".
Hussein Kayal, a photographer for the pro-opposition Edlib Media Center (EMC), was reported as saying that he was awoken by the sound of an explosion at about 06:30 (03:30 GMT). When he reached the scene, there was no smell, he said. He found people lying on the floor, unable to move and with constricted pupils.
Mohammed Rasoul, the head of a charity ambulance service in Idlib, told the BBC that he heard about the attack at about 06:45 and that when his medics arrived 20 minutes later they found people, many of them children, choking in the street.
The Union of Medical Care and Relief Organisations (UOSSM), which funds hospitals in rebel-held Syria, said three of its staff in Khan Sheikhoun were affected while treating patients in the streets and had to be rushed to intensive care.