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Amanda Knox Is Innocent

Lock&Light said:
The Emperor Julian (also known as the Apostate) had very little to do with Italians. He ruled in Constantinople.
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Actually, he co-ruled with Constantius. Constantius ruled from Constantinople, while Julian was Caesar of the western part of the Roman Empire until Constantius death. He was the last of the pagan "Roman" rulers, a fascinating character. Gore Vidal wrote an interesting book about him, called "Julian."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Julian

One could argue that had Julian prevailed in his struggle-to-the-death against the Church, Amanda would have never been incarcerated. There certainly would not have been accusations of satanic ritual murder or witchcraft and other such "religious" nonsense.

History has a long reach.
 
ymu said:
You don't appear to know that the footprint on the bathmat wasn't cleaned up. You're launching these massive diatribes without being familiar with the most basic details of the evidence. It's fucking bizarre.
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I was talking about the 6 bare footprints that were picked up by luminol 3 of which were associated with Knox. There is no evidence that those footprints were bloody. . The fact that luminol turned blue does not indicate blood at all. As has been pointed out luminol picks up on over a dozen products not only blood. You are assuming a luminol hit automatically indicates blood. It doesn't. There were luminol hits in Sollecito's apartment too, 9 of them in the bathroom and they indicate nothing.None were blood. Of course the footprints werent "cleaned up" why should they be.the whole point is that there was no clean up. If I were to spray luminol in your bathroom it would probably show blue positives too.

The bloody footprint on the bathmat is not controversial. It is attributable to Guede, not as was claimed to Sollecito and it probably made when Guede took off his shoes to rinse blood off them. There is no argument that Guede entered the bathroom and probably attempted to clean himself up. Several bloody towels were found at the crime scene.This merely reinforces the argument that he acted alone
 
Diana9 said:
One could argue that had Julian prevailed in his struggle-to-the-death against the Church, Amanda would have never been incarcerated. There certainly would not have been accusations of satanic ritual murder or witchcraft and other such "religious" nonsense.
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Oh really? Pagans were quite keen on witchcraft last time I looked.
 
phildwyer said:
Oh really? Pagans were quite keen on witchcraft last time I looked.
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If anybody can root out pagan conspiracies - it's this guy.

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dylans said:
I was talking about the 6 bare footprints that were picked up by luminol 3 of which were associated with Knox. There is no evidence that those footprints were bloody. . The fact that luminol turned blue does not indicate blood at all. As has been pointed out luminol picks up on over a dozen products not only blood. You are assuming a luminol hit automatically indicates blood. It doesn't. There were luminol hits in Sollecito's apartment too, 9 of them in the bathroom and they indicate nothing.None were blood. Of course the footprints werent "cleaned up" why should they be.the whole point is that there was no clean up. If I were to spray luminol in your bathroom it would probably show blue positives too.

The bloody footprint on the bathmat is not controversial. It is attributable to Guede, not as was claimed to Sollecito and it probably made when Guede took off his shoes to rinse blood off them. There is no argument that Guede entered the bathroom and probably attempted to clean himself up. Several bloody towels were found at the crime scene.This merely reinforces the argument that he acted alone
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So, Guede went to the bathroom and took off his shoes and left a footprint that wasn't his then put his shoes back on, flew back to the murder room, walked in the blood again and left a trail from that room straight out the door. Right yeah, I get that, Like I'm really really dumb.

Where do you get your information? Nothing you say stands up. It all comes from the million dollar defendant PR campaign. Try reading the pathologists reports.

I asked you why they didn't find DNA in the footprint on the Mat. it was tested with 3 samples taken from it and all showed the victim's and no one elses. You argue that no defendant DNA was found in the murder room but the amount of victim's blood on the floor would cover any minute traces as happened with the bathmat footprint. I mean, there it is, a bare footprint in blood that yields no DNA of the person who left the print.

The footprint was never proven as Guede's. Why do you say it was? In the original Massei report it was identified as Sollecito's.

Again, if there was no clean up where were the footprints leading to the bathroom?
 
10 factors that helped Knox's case

1. Reasonable doubt

2. Crime scene errors

3. Lack of proof

4. Motive

5. Unreliable witness

6. Character(of knox)


7. PR campaign
Knox's family hired a Seattle public relations specialist, David Marriot, who for months repeatedly plugged the line: "Amanda will get out, it's a done deal." This created a self-propagating media frenzy, which - in the end - helped convince a largely sceptical Italian media.

8. Supporters' presence
The massive presence of friends and family in Perugia in support fuelled the "Amanda is innocent" campaign. Italians have claimed that because Knox is American, the case has been handled differently, so as not to offend the US.

9. Appeals process
The Italian appeals process offers more guarantees to defendants than any other legal system in the world, whereby only the weakest evidence is treated, not the whole case. Knox's team only had to attack the DNA evidence against her to undermine the whole edifice of the original trial. Italy has one of lowest prison populations in the world because of its lenient appeals process.

10. Favourable political climate
Silvio Berlusconi's government vowed to tame his country's fiercely independent system of magistrates - one that had been bolstered to fight the mafia. The more the government shows the magistracy to be incompetent the better for Mr Berlusconi. The ministry of justice is poised to investigate what went wrong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15157384
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The list is pretty good as it includes points 7 and 10 which are things that also need to be looked into.

How much behind the scenes pressure has gone on we may never know. Things are definitely not as clear as they should be. We will have to wait for the new report and the subsequent appeal to take everything to the supreme court.

The key DNA evidence needs to be tested outside italy.
 
Makes no odds anyway now, she's back in yanqui land and I strongly suspect she will never leave it again for so long as she lives
 
Set us straight then OU.
I think Oik has been posting pretty accurately in terms of the actual evidence presented and not the badly reported press versions.

I don't think it it's been hysterical either.
 
phildwyer said:
Looking back, I can see that I was probably a latent feminist years before I "came out." But since then I have become a very radical feminist indeed. In fact I have been leaning strongly towards lesbian separatism lately, which I bet is more than you can say for yourself.
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This thread will always be a classic, for this statement alone. Dwyer does deadpan better than anyone...
 
Orang Utan said:
i don't know what happened, i have the same amount of info as you.
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Yes, and neither Oik or I have come to any conclusions. It's just highlighting of facts that are oddities in the case, that have not been resolved.

How is that under informed? It's a presentation of the facts.
 
Anudder Oik said:
So, Guede went to the bathroom and took off his shoes and left a footprint that wasn't his then put his shoes back on, flew back to the murder room, walked in the blood again and left a trail from that room straight out the door. Right yeah, I get that, Like I'm really really dumb.

Where do you get your information? Nothing you say stands up. It all comes from the million dollar defendant PR campaign. Try reading the pathologists reports.

I asked you why they didn't find DNA in the footprint on the Mat. it was tested with 3 samples taken from it and all showed the victim's and no one elses. You argue that no defendant DNA was found in the murder room but the amount of victim's blood on the floor would cover any minute traces as happened with the bathmat footprint. I mean, there it is, a bare footprint in blood that yields no DNA of the person who left the print.

The footprint was never proven as Guede's. Why do you say it was? In the original Massei report it was identified as Sollecito's.

Again, if there was no clean up where were the footprints leading to the bathroom?
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OK this is easy

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See those red dots? They are shoe prints. SHOE PRINTS! Guess who they belong to? Yeah, top marks. Rudy Guede. Every single one of those red dots match the tread on Rudy Guede's shoes. See the red dots in Kerchers room? see the ones leading to the bathroom? back to the hall straight out of the front door. They are Rudy Guedes shoe prints. Where are the shoes? He threw them away along with the rest of his clothes when the Fled to Germany. How do we know they are his shoes? The police found the shoe box in his house.

Now lets look at the blue numbered circles, these are the luminol footprints supposedly belonging to Amanda Knox or in your newly revised version "persons" unknown. So lets say they do belong to Knox. None of them are in the room where the killing took place and there is no evidence that any of them contained blood. What do they prove? That someone in bare feet walked in the hall and in knox's room. Bare feet that may have contained traces of some detectable chemical (like toilet duck) on them. They prove nothing.
 
Orang Utan said:
as i said, it's all a bit amateur detective-ish
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Which it isn't, he (and I) were not detecting anything. We were saying that the facts of the case still left lots of questions.
It maybe like columbo questions but there was no conclusion. I haven't got the foggiest, but someone is lying.

You did said it was ill informed too.
 
MellySingsDoom said:
Just spotted this on the Graun site: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/06/amanda-knox-judge-responsible

Is this judge playing to the Italian media deliberately? It does seem a tad odd for yer man to give an empathatic "Not Guilty" decision, and then quibble over it to a suitable journalist...what's yer man up to, I wonder?
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I think that's fair enough. Basicly there are a lot of 'fishy' things about the case, and Knox could have been involved, however the evidence was not there for a conviction.
That's about where I am. I can't say she did it, but I can't say she didn't with 100% certainty.
 
dylans said:
OK this is easy

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See those red dots? They are shoe prints. SHOE PRINTS! Guess who they belong to? Yeah, top marks. Rudy Guede. Every single one of those red dots match the tread on Rudy Guede's shoes. See the red dots in Kerchers room? see the ones leading to the bathroom? back to the hall straight out of the front door. They are Rudy Guedes shoe prints. Where are the shoes? He threw them away along with the rest of his clothes when the Fled to Germany. How do we know they are his shoes? The police found the shoe box in his house.
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Right then...where are the footprint's for the break in?

It was Filomena's room wasn't it?

Why no evidence of Guede in there? How come he was so sloppy elsewhere but somehow managed to clean himself out of the room which was supposedly broken into?
 
Rutita1 said:
Right then...where are the footprint's for the break in?

It was Filomena's room wasn't it?
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Why no evidence of Guede in there? How come he was so sloppy elsewhere but somehow managed to clean himself out of the room which was supposedly broken into?
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Dunno. Doesn't matter though. What matters is that all the evidence points to a scumbag drug dealing drifter and petty criminal breaking into the house and attacking and killing the occupant. There is absolutely no evidence of anyone elses involvement. No evidence that anyone but the man who has been convicted of the crime was involved. None whatsoever. As for this bullshit argument that we can't be sure Knox wasn't involved. Well call me old fashioned but I am of the school of thought that says zero evidence of someones involvement in a crime usually means they were not.
 
All the evidence points to him being guilty yes.
No evidence of him breaking in, at all, as you own post above shows.
I think it does matter that some things in this case don't add up. I am not questioning Guede's guilt. I do though wonder who else was involved.
 
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