Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison

[Bahnhof Strasse]

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Well the contention was that on other occasions she had participated in consensual sex and forgotten about it the following day. That is relevant.

Yeah, reading the testimony of the two blokes who were not motivated by the £50,000, they pretty much both admit to raping her as well

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't like your crap comparison being shown for what it is eh?!

Oh fuck off you dull wanker

 

[bimble]

You said "not saying it was right of the judge to allow it [testimony of former partners]". The judge had no option. The appeal court had in this case allowed it. Do you understand now that the entire point of the retrial was to hear something you seem to think the retrial judge should have excluded?

Yes, I understand. I should not have said 'the judge' it was the court of appeal made that decision.

 

[Teaboy]

Don't like your crap comparison being shown for what it is eh?!

No. I just don't like you. Off you fuck.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, I understand. I should not have said 'the judge' it was the court of appeal made that decision.

Right. I'm glad we're on the same page.

 

[Looby]

Well the contention was that on other occasions she had participated in consensual sex and forgotten about it the following day. That is relevant.

Based on testimony from someone who was offered 50k for his information.

 

[Spymaster]

Yeah, reading the testimony of the two blokes who were not motivated by the £50,000, they pretty much both admit to raping her as well

I haven't read that but there's clearly an issue if their testimony was bought for £50k.

If they're lying about it they've committed a very serious offence themselves.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Based on testimony from someone who was offered 50k for his information.

The pros was pretty shite on this; he asked, "Have you accepted any of the money?" Should have asked if he will accept any money in the future, whilst reminding him of the prison terms perjury attract...

 

[Pickman's model]

Based on testimony from someone who was offered 50k for his information.

Yeh. This isn't not guilty didn't do it but not guilty manufactured verdict based on apparently purchased evidence

 

[Spymaster]

Based on testimony from someone who was offered 50k for his information.

Yes.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I haven't read that but there's clearly an issue if their testimony was bought for £50k.

If they're lying about it they've committed a very serious offence themselves.

No money has been paid.

Yet.

 

[Looby]

I haven't read that but there's clearly an issue if their testimony was bought for £50k.

If they're lying about it they've committed a very serious offence themselves.

Someone said earlier that this bloke was previously interviewed and only offered this information at a much later date and after the details of the trial were widely reported. He was accused of making up some of what happened to ensure it backed up what Evans had said happened.

 

[Spymaster]

Someone said earlier that this bloke was previously interviewed and only offered this information at a much later date and after the details of the trial were widely reported. He was accused of making up some of what happened to ensure it backed up what Evans had said happened.

Yes. Aren't there 2 blokes though?

 

[bluescreen]

The Graun has several articles, including this which is worth a glance:
Campaigners fear Evans case will stop women reporting rape

 

[bimble]

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Yeah, reading the testimony of the two blokes who were not motivated by the £50,000, they pretty much both admit to raping her as well

Really really don't want to go down this rabbit hole again but no. Suspect them of perjury sure but I don't think it's ok for you to call them rapists too.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yes. Aren't there 2 blokes though?

Yes. Both were interviewed by police before the original trial, neither mentioned what appears to be the compelling evidence until after Evans's conviction and offer of £50k.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Really really don't want to go down this rabbit hole again but no. Suspect them of perjury sure but I don't think it's ok for you to call them rapists too.

Their names are not public, so I don't see why the hell not?

 

[Looby]

Sorry, I misread and thought it was one bloke. Apparently they're in Evans' social circle too.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Sorry, I misread and thought it was one bloke. Apparently they're in Evans' social circle too.

They all grew up in the same small town.

 

[bimble]

Their names are not public, so I don't see why the hell not?

Lets not go there. If you want to accuse them of rape maybe explain why though.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Yes. Both were interviewed by police before the original trial, neither mentioned what appears to be the compelling evidence until after Evans's conviction and offer of £50k.

and one seems to have been partly motivated by the myth that rape victims "must be lying" about rape if they are sexually active soon after being raped

 

[Spymaster]

Yes. Both were interviewed by police before the original trial, neither mentioned what appears to be the compelling evidence until after Evans's conviction and offer of £50k.

Hmmm ...

Did the second trial jury know this?

The thing is, if Evans thought she was consenting, he's not guilty of rape, just of being a massive cunt.

Now put yourself in the juror's shoes, and you hear him say she consented at the time, and other people say they've had sex with her where she consented at the time and forgot afterwards.

That's reasonable doubt.

 

[Gromit]

No. I just don't like you. Off you fuck.

Irrelevant to the argument. Hope you're never selected for jury service. It's people like you that lead to miscarriages of justice.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Lets not go there. If you want to accuse them of rape maybe explain why though.

Had Evans been found guilty of rape for a second time today, his actions were incredibly similar to the actions of the two men who gave testimony not in exchange for £50k.

"She didn't seem that drunk" was what they said.

 

[Spymaster]

Had Evans been found guilty of rape for a second time today, his actions were incredibly similar to the actions of the two men who gave testimony not in exchange for £50k.

"She didn't seem that drunk" was what they said.

Again, if they thought she was consenting, it's not rape.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Hmmm ...

Did the second trial jury know this?

The thing is, if Evans thought she was consenting, he's not guilty of rape, just of being a massive cunt.

Now put yourself in the jurors shoes, and you hear him say she consented at the time, and other people say they've had sex with her where she consented at the time and forgot afterwards.

That's reasonable doubt.

As said, I don't think the pros did a very good job here. The two blokes who didn't testify for £50k, their evidence could and it seems did sow enough reasonable doubt.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Again, if they thought she was consenting, it's not rape.

And if they didn't care either way, what then?

 

[bimble]

Again, if they thought she was consenting, it's not rape.

This is the thing. Otherwise we have to change the law so that rape is defined by breathaliser test or something.

 

[Spymaster]

And if they didn't care either way, what then?

Well then they're cunts, but not necessarily rapists.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Well then they're cunts, but not necessarily rapists.

This is what the case is about. Woman is so drunk she possibly can't give consent, man doesn't care so dives in and fucks her. Man doesn't ask her name, or speak so much as a word to her...