Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison

[not-bono-ever]

I think in Scotland, This may well fall into the Not Proven acquittal scenario- something the scotch have that the Ingerlish should adopt

 

[Sasaferrato]

You're a fucking disgrace

And you? What do you call someone who refuses to accept the verdict of the jury, who have heard all the evidence? Deluded? Stupid? Vindictive? Or simply too much of an arsehole to admit they were wrong? All of the preceding?

 

[Orang Utan]

Having had the trial, and a 'not guilty' verdict, one would have to be a complete dick-head to keep insisting he was guilty.

why?

 

[Sasaferrato]

I think in Scotland, This may well fall into the Not Proven acquittal scenario- something the scotch have that the Ingerlish should adopt

Yes, it possibly would. There are moves afoot to bring the Scottish system to two verdicts, Guilty and Not Proven.

Not Proven at present is seen by many as meaning 'We think you did it, but there isn't quite enough evidence', which is a bit unfair on the truly innocent.

 

[Spymaster]

Except that witness made 3 contradictory statements, some of which were made after he found out about the £50k reward Massey was offering. He'll probably get it now.

Massey tried to bribe the receptionist at the hotel too.

They're scum.

Where's the 50k stuff being reported? The BBC don't mention it.

 

[Fingers]

Should be:

Guilty
Not proven
Innocent.

 

[Sprocket.]

Has Evans indicated if he will now be looking for compensation following the latest verdict?

 

[Spymaster]

Should be:

Guilty
Not proven
Innocent.

No it shouldn't.

Not proven is fucking ridiculous.

 

[bimble]

Where's the 50k stuff being reported? The BBC don't mention it.

Look at the last few paragraphs here:
Campaigners fear Evans case will stop women reporting rape

It explains the 50k reward and also says that the jury were not allowed to see messages that his girlfriend sent to a hotel employee begging him to say something to help.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Where's the 50k stuff being reported? The BBC don't mention it.

Ched Evans tells rape trial sex with woman in hotel was consensual

Ched Evans tells court alleged victim said he could 'join in' sex

Ched Evans tells his rape retrial he didn't speak to his victim before they had sex | Daily Mail Online

'Childish' Ched Evans says woman having sex with friend let him 'join in' - court

And so on...

 

[Sasaferrato]

FUCK OFF

Thank you for that. A cogent argument, which displays your level of intelligence wonderfully.

What part of 'A jury has returned a verdict of Not Guilty' are you having trouble understanding?

I'm sorry that the jury didn't agree with your preconception, it is a bit embarrassing when you get it so wrong. Don't worry, there will be another innocent man along soon, you can direct your vitriol towards them, it might make you feel a bit better, until you get it wrong, again.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Should be:

Guilty
Not proven
Innocent.

That is what it is in Scotland at present.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Thank you for that. A cogent argument, which displays your level of intelligence wonderfully.

What part of 'A jury has returned a verdict of Not Guilty' are you having trouble understanding?

I'm sorry that the jury didn't agree with your preconception, it is a bit embarrassing when you get it so wrong. Don't worry, there will be another innocent man along soon, you can direct your vitriol towards them, it might make you feel a bit better, until you get it wrong, again.

You really are a fucking wrong'un here.

 

[gosub]

No it shouldn't.

Not proven is fucking ridiculous.

not proven is sensiible, its double jeopardy thats stupid, and double jeopardy in a system that has a not proven verdict is really fucked up

 

[Orang Utan]

He's only technically 'innocent' ffs

 

[bluescreen]

Where's the 50k stuff being reported? The BBC don't mention it.

And here:
Second Ched Evans defence witness denies £50,000 reward motive

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Has Evans indicated if he will now be looking for compensation following the latest verdict?

Bet Sasaferrato £500 to the server fund that if he tries the Home Office will reject it.

Will Sas be 'Man enough' to accept?

 

[Fingers]

That is what it is in Scotland at present.

Ah, well in that case it should be Guilty/Not guilty.

 

[Spymaster]

not proven is sensiible,

It's not. It pisses on the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bet Sasaferrato £500 to the server fund that if he tries the Home Office will reject it.

Will Sas be 'Man enough' to accept?

make it five shillings and he might be on

 

[Sasaferrato]

Just on a general note,

You really are a fucking wrong'un here.

No. I'm someone who can accept that jury, having heard the evidence, all of the evidence, has returned a verdict of Not Guilty based on that evidence.

I am not defending Evan's behaviour, it was dreadful. There is a wee bit of a difference though between behaving dreadfully and being guilty of rape.

I hope you never find yourself in front of a jury with your mindset, especially if you are innocent. Bit of a bummer to be locked up for years for something you didn't do.

IIRC Evans had served his time, and this action was to 'clear his name', although I'm not sure his name will ever be 'cleared'. Not because he was guilty of rape, but because of his behaviour. He's served the time, and lost his footballing career. What more do you want from the man? A lynch mob?

 

[bimble]

Remember the Saudi billionaire who was cleared of rape last year by a London court following his defence that it was an accident he tripped and fell into her?
Just saying, it is not unprecedented for the verdict 'not guilty' to leave a lot of people not entirely satisfied that justice has been done.

 

[hegley]

I'm sorry that the jury didn't agree with your preconception, it is a bit embarrassing when you get it so wrong.

The man lied his way into a hotel room, and, in the dark, had sex with a woman who he had never met before, didn't speak to her before, during or after sex and then left via the fire exit. How can consent ever possibly be presumed in this scenario? If anyone's got anything wrong here, it's the jury, not Bahnhof Strasse.

 

[8den]

Less than 1 in 30 rape accusations lead to a conviction. How anyone can welcome todays verdict is beyond me.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Bet Sasaferrato £500 to the server fund that if he tries the Home Office will reject it.

Will Sas be 'Man enough' to accept?

No, because firstly I don't think he will have the temerity to seek damages, and secondly, because his behaviour was such that he doesn't deserve damages.

 

[DotCommunist]

IIRC Evans had served his time

let out far earlier than the full sentence while still loudly proclaiming his innocence. Its not usual for the unrepentant to get out early in these cases

 

[8den]

1. How is her previous sexual history relevant.

2. How is attempt to bribe witnesses not relevant?

 

[Orang Utan]

Just on a general note,


No. I'm someone who can accept that jury, having heard the evidence, all of the evidence, has returned a verdict of Not Guilty based on that evidence.

I am not defending Evan's behaviour, it was dreadful. There is a wee bit of a difference though between behaving dreadfully and being guilty of rape.

I hope you never find yourself in front of a jury with your mindset, especially if you are innocent. Bit of a bummer to be locked up for years for something you didn't do.

IIRC Evans had served his time, and this action was to 'clear his name', although I'm not sure his name will ever be 'cleared'. Not because he was guilty of rape, but because of his behaviour. He's served the time, and lost his footballing career. What more do you want from the man? A lynch mob?

you're asking people to meekly accept a verdict they strongly disapprove of. If we were to di just that, many many miscarriages of justice would continue to occur. Miscarriages of justice need to be challenged.

 

[8den]

Just on a general note,


No. I'm someone who can accept that jury, having heard the evidence, all of the evidence, has returned a verdict of Not Guilty based on that evidence.

I am not defending Evan's behaviour, it was dreadful. There is a wee bit of a difference though between behaving dreadfully and being guilty of rape.

I hope you never find yourself in front of a jury with your mindset, especially if you are innocent. Bit of a bummer to be locked up for years for something you didn't do.

IIRC Evans had served his time, and this action was to 'clear his name', although I'm not sure his name will ever be 'cleared'. Not because he was guilty of rape, but because of his behaviour. He's served the time, and lost his footballing career. What more do you want from the man? A lynch mob?

Juries can be misdirected by Judges, And this judge was clearly was out of fucking order allowing her sexual history to be testimony.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Just on a general note,


No. I'm someone who can accept that jury, having heard the evidence, all of the evidence, has returned a verdict of Not Guilty based on that evidence.

I am not defending Evan's behaviour, it was dreadful. There is a wee bit of a difference though between behaving dreadfully and being guilty of rape.

I hope you never find yourself in front of a jury with your mindset, especially if you are innocent. Bit of a bummer to be locked up for years for something you didn't do.

IIRC Evans had served his time, and this action was to 'clear his name', although I'm not sure his name will ever be 'cleared'. Not because he was guilty of rape, but because of his behaviour. He's served the time, and lost his footballing career. What more do you want from the man? A lynch mob?

Great topic to gloat about.