Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh fuck off you useless wanker
Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison
- Thread starter Bahnhof Strasse
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Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
You're letting the state off . The police off. The CPS off. A Jury is as good as the evidence presented to it.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
It wasn't that the fiscal did a shit job the first time round, the judge took a decision that some questioned whether he really had the authority to make. Yes, sinclair was already in prison but it didn't mean he shouldn't be prosecuted for committing two horrific crimes.
OK.
But if it's impossible for me to answer without generalising, then touché of course, because your bias is also apparent.
Naturally, people are swayed by their circumstances and prejudices. No prizes for pointing that out.
The question I asked was [paraphrase] "did the the mostly female jury act out of misogyny? Or the presented evidence?"
Or were they swayed by something else? What is your view?
Treacle Toes
Time
Is it? Want to spell that out for me? Then I will answer your questions below. Just so we know where we are starting from and exactly what you are assuming of me/projecting.
Oh and while you are at it perhaps you can outline what 'circumstances and prejudices' you are being swayed by?
Is it? Want to spell that out for me? Then I will answer your questions below. Just so we know where we are starting from and exactly what you are assuming of me/projecting.
Oh and while you are at it perhaps you can outline what 'circumstances and prejudices' you are being swayed by?
You didn't answer my questions below like you promised :-(
Treacle Toes
Time
I said I would once you clarify...
1. your assertion of me, namely that my 'bias is also apparent'
2. your position in terms of the 'circumstances and prejudices' you are being swayed by.
trashpony
Hag
Nothing in the link contradicts what I said. Both witnesses suddenly remembered that she had used the same phrase after Evans' conviction and after the £50k offer was made on his website. If you look on the Wales Online website you can read a fairly thorough account of the retrial.
The whole thing is dodgy as fuck.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
So you believe two witnesses committed perjury.
trashpony
Hag
Yes. Why not? It's their word against hers and we all know she's a fucking lying slag
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What's she lied about?
I said I would once you clarify...
1. your assertion of me, namely that my 'bias is also apparent'
2. your position in terms of the 'circumstances and prejudices' you are being swayed by.
I bet you get your own way a lot
Not this time though.
Why does it matter if the whole British justice system is unjust anyway?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The two witnesses have anonymity. The hotel receptionist was offered that, but decided to reject it in order to offer this hard evidence:
Ched Evans' fiancee Natasha Massey offered £50k reward for evidence on Facebook | Daily Mail Online
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I suppose she saved a few quid for the jury too
So 50K might inspire some new witnesses, but how doesn't it convince the jury of his guilt?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
What?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It was intended to secure evidence to prove his innocence
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The jury were not allowed to be told of her attempted bribery of the receptionist. They were weakly informed of the offer of the 'reward' in the questioning of the two killer witnesses.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
who did you use to be?Rather like those with whom the Urbanati disagree
London Calling?
It was intended to secure evidence to prove his innocence
I meant "how does giving someone 50K make a jury think you're innocent"?
Treacle Toes
Time
I bet you get your own way a lot
Not this time though.
Ah so not willing to engage with me clearly and honestly? ...and somehow that is my fault? All righty then.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh? So why didn't you say that?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh, I see: the judge was in it too
Yes I am, but "clearly and honestly" doesn't necessarily mean "blah blah accuse you of your fault"
Because I don't owe you a fucking explanation for everything I say.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's not easy to make me sorry for the Queen but you've managed it by using her as your avatar. What did she ever do to deserve it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No, it's because you're full of shit
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Judges can't ask for a witness to be called, that is for the prosecution or defence to do.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes. But you said the jury was only told weakly about the money. And who does the allowing in a crown court?
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