littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Because she believes he's innocent?
Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Well, presumably, possibly. But even if his appeal succeeds, the question remains as to why she stood by him - given the way he behaved. Even without a rape conviction he's an utter sleazebag.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
After having heard and seen even the publicly available evidence to believe there's anything worth defending here is pretty fucking appalling. I expect we're on the road to yet another of your don't moralise posts though.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Go fuck yourself ba, you self-righteous arse.
trashpony
Hag
I suspect it's because she doesn't understand what rape is any more than he does
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it does seem to be a reccuring theme that being twatted beyond belief is grounds for consent. I wonder how many blokes waking up after a night out with a very sore ringpiece and an aching jaw would take the view that 'oh dear I walked into it and I should know what men are like'.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yes, it's the lie that 'being taken advantage of' is somehow just one of those things - and puts the onus on the person who is paralytic rather than the one who should have been seeking consent.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
andysays
Love and solidarity
Reading the stories in both the Mail and the Mirror, it appears that their main source for most of the information is someone from the Evans camp, so I would be very wary about accepting at face value anything there about exactly why the CCRC has made the decision it has. All we really know is that they've made the decision to let an appeal go ahead; the reasons will hopefully become clearer as the appeal progresses.
Those stories should be read on the basis that they are basically more PR and spin from the Evans camp (which the papers have chosen to print knowing full well that's what they are) rather than anything approaching a neutral reporting of the actual facts.
Those stories should be read on the basis that they are basically more PR and spin from the Evans camp (which the papers have chosen to print knowing full well that's what they are) rather than anything approaching a neutral reporting of the actual facts.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yes, my pure guess is that the 'investigative journalist' they hired might have been the point of contact with the Mirror. Also, might be wrong without going back to the stories, but they were written with regard to what was in the dossier sent to the CCRC (rather than what the CCRC have said/leaked).
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wobbly
inconsistencies in her lifestyle seems a lot like claims she isn't behaving now like a woman who was raped.
like omg, a proper victim will never go out agaihn, or be on her own, or wear a skirt. because although they all know nothing could be bad if she dosen't remember, she still should be so ashamed of being a victim and so risk averse that she's becoming a nun now, or something like that.
i do have words for this, but oyu will still be here next week if i start using them
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wobbly
considering the bullshit coming out of the Evans camp, it might nt even be that much. or it might not be enough to do anything to touch the conviction. but just to throw about enough crap that all the usual suspects want to whine about how all these horrible feminists are ruining his career and get someone to let him back on the field. the people he has actively encouraged to back him have form for tha6t kind of shit chucking
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wobbly
go back through the bullshit in this thread. throw enough mud and people who want to believe women lie about this all the fucking time will find something that makes them believe this woman is lying.
suppose you could always consider the routine of how he protects his daughter, and if women don't take responsibility to find a protector or keep themself safe, they deserve all they get. you'd better respect my women, i'll respect another bloke's women, women on their own make themselves fair game and deserve what they get. not exactly an unusual routine.
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wobbly
no one, however privilaged they may seem is entirely immune from getting involved with a complete arsehole and staying with them far too long. ref Nigella....
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wobbly
but the menzs....
menz is different......
erm......
but there's a common myth that women don't know the difference between drunk sex and rape. or regretting sex and rape. i've done drunk sex, i've regretted sex. never called either rape. I called getting raped as rape. the myth is based on the idea that women don'[t have a fucking clue what they want, or what they have expereinced and need a nice sensible man to tell them to get over their over emotional selves and listen to his facts. it's infantalising women.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I'd agree with this wholeheartedly. They've definitely done this before, it's chilling to think of what they might have got away with previously be ause the entire predatory attitude behind it just stinks. And they'd have had loads of opportunities for that kind of behaviour given their celeb status . I doubt very much Evans was just turning up there on the off chance he might get a shag from a complete stranger who was already engaged in activity with his mate. He was only there a very short while and went straight at it. He was sure he was getting one, which indicates to me consent, or lack of it,just wasn't part of the equation beforehand. that's a seriously bad mindset.
I've got to say I honestly don't give a fuck if this woman lied or not in this case...not from her perspective, i most certainly do care if someone wasraped...but purely from his. It's like with that other predator Strauss Kahn. I actually believe he was set up ...that time. But that he'd done it before on a number of occasions and gotten away with it. So worlds smallest violin.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
exactly the hotel room both of him legging it down the fire escape.
a total scumbag and the "new evidence" is apparently proof the woman was a slaggg
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fuck off your a rapist ched with the self knowledge of a retarded potato
I'd have some fucking sympathy for him if he admitted what he'd done was rape no ched thinks what he did was unacceptable as he's apologized but still believes he's not a rapist
a total scumbag and the "new evidence" is apparently proof the woman was a slaggg
.fuck off your a rapist ched with the self knowledge of a retarded potato
I'd have some fucking sympathy for him if he admitted what he'd done was rape no ched thinks what he did was unacceptable as he's apologized but still believes he's not a rapist
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There's belief, and then there's deliberate self-delusion. Given the evidence arrayed against Evans, I suspect the latter.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
There's a middle way, which I think is much more likely - unconscious self-delusion.
We don't know anything about this woman (which is as it should be - I don't suppose Evans' father-in-law would approve of her life being laid out in the media the way he apparently feels is appropriate for Evans' victim), but she's in a relationship with Evans which presumably has some benefits to her.
It's a well known attribute of human behaviour that we will often filter out what we find uncomfortable or intolerable. Some people are better at recognising when they do that than others, and it will vary from situation to situation, but the kind of cognitive dissonance that goes with being (say) in love with someone and discovering some aspect of their nature that is deeply negative is not unusual, and nor is it rare for people to simply block out the bits they don't want to acknowledge.
In some ways, she could be another victim, just as the woman Evans raped was. Sure, in her case she may appear to have more choices, and we'd probably all like her to make certain of those, but subjectively, to her, there may be no choice.
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wobbly
IMO, i reckon one of the reasons this case resulted in conviction was that it wasn't based on the woman's testimony. much harder to make a defence case about lying golddiggers/vindictive or regretful 'sluts' when the victim's testimony can be summed up as 'i dont remember'. says a lot about how women's testimony is viewed when it's probably been helpful to the case that there wasn't any.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Except that now they do want to make it all about her. This is the sort of case that should be a major turning point in the way we deal with sexual attitudes (and not just towards women - ANY form of sexual assault needs to be seen as serious and Just Not On). Sadly, I suspect that we still have some way to go.
So, in a much more non-constructive sense, I hope that Evans reaps the full extent of the Streisand Effect in return for putting himself in the public spotlight again as he attempts to besmirch his victim in order to clear himself.
And I sincerely hope that the football industry is savvy enough to make sure that they are not seen to be supporting, in any way, an unrepentant convicted rapist.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The new evidence rapist footballer Ched Evans hopes will clear his name
Will be interesting to hear what is given to the court. Dragging up her history to paint her as a 'slut', CCTV showing something, summing up etc., none of this detracts from the core issue of his actions on the night.
Might be heard as soon as January they say.
Will be interesting to hear what is given to the court. Dragging up her history to paint her as a 'slut', CCTV showing something, summing up etc., none of this detracts from the core issue of his actions on the night.
Might be heard as soon as January they say.
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wobbly
he's acted the arsehole, encouraged ongoing abuse of his victim and my feeling is that this behavior has pushed a lot of people from a position of being neutral about the case because they didnt know the details, to believing that someone who has encouraged this trial by ordeal process is capable of rape. and i reckon he's too clueless to realize this and is going to continue to shoot himself in the leg
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he's not deliberately evil
he's an idiot and genuinely believes he hasn't raped anyone which is very sad and rather scary
I think he knows full well that his actions are 'out of order' and 'taking advantage'. He just doesn't believe that constitute rape. Which it blatantly does. Ched Evans is a rapist. He knows it in his heart of hearts, the world knows. The cunt even got out of his sentence early for reasons known only to.....brown envelopes
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wobbly
he's not deliberately evil
he's an idiot and genuinely believes he hasn't raped anyone which is very sad and rather scary
i can comprehend how someone has internalised a message that says you can get away with taking advantage under thise circumstances. it's not an uncommon mindset and is massively supported by a ot of common myths about what does and dosent constitute rape
when it's clear that the prosecution of the case wasn't driven by the victim, I find it a lot harder to comprehend the character assassination of her as anything other than vindictive.
I'd say shagging a drunk and incapable woman on the consent of your mate whilst getting other mates to film the encounter goes beyond being a bit of a cunt tbh. I never find the word 'evil' particularly helpful but fucking hell. It's a dark way to treat someone.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
we (not me and you, the wider we) have had discussions on here about where feminism intersects (lol) with class politics and in this- and in other cases, like that IMF bloke who deffo never raped that woman right. There is a parralel in the way the woman was seen as a tool to be used. And the outraged reaction to being called on such behaviour. Its almost like theres a system or something...
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Yeah, like there's institutional sexism or something. That can't be right...wait....
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