Yes. I know.
Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison
- Thread starter Bahnhof Strasse
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Yes. I know.
In my experience when I as a witness was dismissed the defendants were two police officers. I think that may have had some influence!
Well they'd spoken to the hotel night porter and taxi driver and they've got video footage of her coming into the hotel - surely any other new witnesses would only have seen her before those people? The only other witnesses at that time seem to be Ched and his buddy in the room + the two friends who apparently were filming through a window.
I wonder if it could be a witness to something the victim has said about the case at a later date if it is significant enough to warrant an appeal?
It's rather pointless speculating .... all we know is that the CCRC has decided that there is evidence fit to be considered by the Court of Appeal. It does not mean that his appeal is certain or even likely to succeed. The appeal court regularly dismisses referrals made by the CCRC on the ground that the conviction remains safe, notwithstanding the matters raised in the referral. Since he's served his sentence, it's not likely that the appeal hearing will take place all that quickly.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
With the usual apologies for the source, the details of evan's appeal emerge. Use of private investigators, focus on the woman's 'lifestyle', already leaking details that she had been banned from a bar.... but then claiming it wasn't 'character assassination'. Fucking scum.
Case drawn up to clear Ched Evans set to question victim's lifestyle
Case drawn up to clear Ched Evans set to question victim's lifestyle
She was obviously asking for it.
trashpony
Hag
Bizarrely (for the Mail) 'Ched is a rapist' is the theme of comments under the article.
And a witness who claims to have had a 'significant' conversation with the victim in a taxi. As I said earlier, I wonder how much his FIL paid the 'witness'
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Just reading through that bit were his mate texts him " I've got a bird" ...ugh. And then they film it. Without a shadow of a doubt that's psychopathic type behaviour. Just meat to them ...predators the fucking lot of them. Even if he was somehow actually innocent I'd still struggle to have any sympathy . He's scum .
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he's not innocent. Its the very grounds of what constitutes rape at question in this case. And by my metric shagging a passed out drunk woman your mate text you to come and have a go in is rape. The behaviour of the Ched camp post verdict has been despicable. The woman changed name and moved abroad. The Ched camp named her online and said where she now was. Because he can afford the PI's to dig for this sort of thing. Utter scum. If he gets off it'll be a prime example of how poorly the courts treat rape victims.
Fuck knows how the FiL rationalises it all to himself. There isn't really a logical explanation beyond going along with his daughter's wishes.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Meal ticket, match tickets, celeb status . Even his sister was on BB. The glamour of these bastard footballers is a huge thing to a lot of sad bastards.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
His contention was that she hadn't passed out. She didn't remember. He wasn't believed by the court, partly perhaps because he was clearly such a total shit and had accused her of lying, among other things. Plus the way they just left her afterwards.
I agree about him being a total shit, though, regardless. Both him and his mate. Rich, arrogant young men with a massive sense of entitlement, and not the first footballers to display such behaviour. If that DM article is correct (big IF - it is the DM), there don't appear to be good grounds for a reversal. Rightly or wrongly, courts place great weight on believability of witnesses, and he wasn't believed. It is depressing that the victim's previous 'character' is still considered valid evidence for the defence in rape cases. High time this was changed.
Looby
Well-Known Member
The FIL is really wealthy though, he's the one paying his legal fees etc
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
So...you can not convict someone based on how horrible you find their character as you have to consider the evidence but you can possibly reverse a rape conviction purely based on the the victims (alleged) previous sexual behaviour ?
Am honestly lost for words at the blatant attitude of "it weren't proper rape" that is on display in this case.
The hypocrisy is endless
Am honestly lost for words at the blatant attitude of "it weren't proper rape" that is on display in this case.
The hypocrisy is endless
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Various newspaper sites don't agree with my browser, but I got a couple of lines before it crashed. Gives an indication of how much trawling the private investigators have been doing. Something like 'evidence of her lifestyle from at least 14 men and women who knew her'. Yuk:
New evidence revealed that rapist Ched Evans thinks will clear his name
New evidence revealed that rapist Ched Evans thinks will clear his name
yeah that is very dodgy territory, I hope it is more than just pointing out that she'd had a lot of one night stands, it would be ridiculous if that was sufficient to reverse his conviction
there is that witness mentioned above who had 'a 'significant' conversation with the victim' - though it doesn't seem to be clear if that is a witness the police spoke to and chose to ignore at the time and the private detectives have now found out about or if that is a brand new witness who has only come forwards after some private detectives started asking around
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I think it is this.
High profile case and they didn't want to be the ones to call an end to it. Added to the very real fact that many people seem to be confused as to why his actions constitute rape in the first place, it would not surprise me to learn that some in the CCRC are confused too.
As to the FiL, I cannot begin to fathom his motives. If the boyfriend of one of my daughters was exposed as someone who trawls clubs looking for 'a bird' to share with his mates I'd deck the cunt. Clearly this night was not a one off either.
Isn't that basically his original defence?
Maybe, but with all the new "evidence" she definitely, really, actually, totally was asking for it.
</sarcasm>
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's a terrible thing in itself that you even had to make sure people knew you were being sarcastic. Even on here.
Poe's law, innit
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
a paragon of virtue and proffesional dignity when operating in normal life. A slag who deserved it on those times she went out and got wasted. As every fucker does.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
and thats rape right there. No one is that thick that they don't know. You put them to bed and thats it, she sleeps it off. Even when you are also smashed. There are rules.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I think I'm also a bit shocked that not only did ched's fiance stand by him, she's also now pregnant. He's a convicted rapist, why is she standing by him?
And all this 'she was asking for it because she got drunk at a club' so-called evidence can't be anything near enough to warrant theconviction being overturned.
And all this 'she was asking for it because she got drunk at a club' so-called evidence can't be anything near enough to warrant theconviction being overturned.
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