GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
there's no isult anywhere near that you have been called out my friend face facts and move on...
Abusive. aggressive employee
- Thread starter 1927
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poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
If thinking that makes you feel happy, that's your bag. Looks a bit tragic (like a kid yelling "you're fleas") from where I'm standing, but there you go...
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
No. A left-wing boss in a profit-making organisation is an oxymoron. The best a boss can be is a hand-wringing liberal. The velvet coated shackle.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
How do you define 'boss'?
Does it kick in at a low paid supervisor earning 50p more an hour than their 'team'?
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
This is a somewhat bizarre comment.
If firms divide up all profits amongst their employees they can never grow, and thus with population growth you will get unemployment.
Is it left wing to not give a fuck about unemployment, whilst keeping your clique rich?
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
You have heard of the Co-op I take it?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
There's some great co-ops, but they can't get beyond a certain size before they have to introduce hierarchies to deal with communication if nothing else, and then it all disintegrates
Back to the subject matter: I'd be happy to post summat about 1927's company's dilemma with this employee but 1927 isn't answering the questions.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Quite - for example it wasn't in the contract of employment 1927 put up earlier that people have to wear orange overalls. No mention of orange at all, with or without coloured flowers. QED surely.
I was idly wondering how poster34200 would have dealt with this if it was happening in what he'd consider an ideal company in what he'd consider an ideal society. Would he have us all wearing orange uniforms THEN I ask?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
He didn't post up the contract of employment, sheddy. He just posted a link from the HSE/some government body. Anyone can do that. It's information about the general principles - not how those principles apply in this case.
1927's been asked for more information over and over, but he doesn't supply it.
For all we know this bloke might be an office bod without any requirement to wear high vis.
We just don't know.
And until 1927 shares some decent info, everyone speculates on the basis of what 1927 has deigned to share so far.
Treacle Toes
Time
Hmmmmmmm he did say the following...
He is only being asked to wear a set of overalls provided for his safety and welfare, something which is in his employment, something he has been disciplined for previously. Something he has given a written undertaken to wear. And you believe he is being bullied. FFS
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
@posternumbers one problem I see with your position is that, if everyone who had left-wing views refused promotion, then the management roles would all be given to true right-wingers. I don't think any of us would want that.
Becoming a 'boss' of some sort does change your relationship to the methods of production, it's true, but it doesn't automatically change all of your political views, IMO.
No! Only the full contract, with names and addresses, is enough of an answer! Only that specific information is sufficient to decide whether getting aggressive at work is OK or not!
Course, if it had been a manager getting aggressive with a junior member of staff, the same people would have been suggesting legal action immedately without any extra info
Becoming a 'boss' of some sort does change your relationship to the methods of production, it's true, but it doesn't automatically change all of your political views, IMO.
No! Only the full contract, with names and addresses, is enough of an answer! Only that specific information is sufficient to decide whether getting aggressive at work is OK or not!
Course, if it had been a manager getting aggressive with a junior member of staff, the same people would have been suggesting legal action immedately without any extra info
Treacle Toes
Time
Oh come on he couldn't and shouldn't post that here even if he wanted to.
IMO getting aggressive and raising your hand to someone is only ever OK if it is to protect yourself/in self defence, at work or not.
Course, if it had been a manager getting aggressive with a junior member of staff, the same people would have been suggesting legal action immedately without any extra info
Well yeah there is that. Strange double standards.BTW, are you a teacher? There is something about the way you type 'No!' that makes me feel like I'm back at school.
lighterthief
Well-Known Member
Talking about the orange overalls is missing the point here IMO. It's the fact that the employee is being "aggressive as well as abusive", irrespective of the reasons.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Rutita, I'm not getting a strop on.
1927 starts a thread asking whether he (or his company) should sack this bloke.
Whatever I've said in terms of finding out what the full circumstances are, and asking 1927 about them - have been met in silence from 1927.
The most we get is 1927's reliance on a link to HSE regs which we don't even know if they apply to this bloke.
The only extra bit of info that 1927 has provided is that the bloke allegedly said that he didn't like orange.
There's something wrong/incomplete here
Treacle Toes
Time
I know.
Wasn't sure you had seen that is all.I know, I've asked a few questions as well that have not been answered. Of course there's more to the story. It has been interesting to see folk's reactions to this thread though.
Also, I am now wondering whether I can ethically be promoted to team-leader and vote the same way I do. According to some, I will have to start voting Tory.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
BTW, are you a teacher? There is something about the way you type 'No!' that makes me feel like I'm back at school.
Yep! Which I guess automatically makes me right-wing, since I spend all day telling other people what to do.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think that's prettty standard.
Treacle Toes
Time
Takes one to know one I suppose.
After reading this thread today I will have to radically re-think my identity, just when I thought I knew myself.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Actually, you are one I reckon would ask for further info if it were an employee talking about their boss getting aggressive. Lots of others wouldn't be so balanced, though.
We're all hypocritical, it's just that it's funnier when you spot other people doing it.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I will try and give some more info without giving too much away, there are after all people on here who know me and it wouldnt take too much to work out identities.
Suffice to say, Company provides service in construction/quarry industry. Employee carries out that service. Quarries require all subcontractors to wear certain items of PPE including ORANGE overalls. Employye was once dismissed for not wearing PPE. Was reinstated on appeal. Has had subsequent warnings for continual refusal to wear overalls. He is banned from certain customers sites, to the point that at times it has been difficult to provide him with a full days work. He has made written undertakings to wear his overalls, in his original contract and following written warnings, he continues to refuse to wear them.
Any more infor please ask, and stop being fucking pedantic "oh he might be an office worker" FFS some of you people!
Suffice to say, Company provides service in construction/quarry industry. Employee carries out that service. Quarries require all subcontractors to wear certain items of PPE including ORANGE overalls. Employye was once dismissed for not wearing PPE. Was reinstated on appeal. Has had subsequent warnings for continual refusal to wear overalls. He is banned from certain customers sites, to the point that at times it has been difficult to provide him with a full days work. He has made written undertakings to wear his overalls, in his original contract and following written warnings, he continues to refuse to wear them.
Any more infor please ask, and stop being fucking pedantic "oh he might be an office worker" FFS some of you people!
Treacle Toes
Time
What do you do 1927? in relation to said employee...
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
How is that relevant?
Treacle Toes
Time
Just curious.
I suppose it puts your question in the OP into context and perspective. That's all.
Couple of questions
- Was the employee ever previously in a role where there was no uniform requirement?
- What was the accepted case for reinstatement?
- As part of the reinstatement, did the employee agree to wear the uniform?
- Are the site bans at the request of customers?
- Was the employee ever previously in a role where there was no uniform requirement?
- What was the accepted case for reinstatement?
- As part of the reinstatement, did the employee agree to wear the uniform?
- Are the site bans at the request of customers?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
and
- What shade of orange is it?
Ta cesare by the way - i hadn't read the post correctly re contract.
