About the 20mph speed limit in Wales built up areas? Which goes live tonight..

[weltweit]

On a thread about cars, it's sadly inevitable that some idiot will ask 'what about bikes?' It's pretty tedious. Driver logic.

Quite a lot of drivers are, like me, drivers, riders of motorcycles, cyclists of bikes and pedestrians all rolled into one.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Most cyclists have stories about lucky escapes from careless drivers. I have a couple. It's laughable to draw equivalences.

 

[T & P]

Fuck me, I wish I could ride my bike at 25mph.

Maybe down a decent sized hill or with near hurricane force winds behind me. I guess Cat 1 riders and above would be able to do that. And I suppose I could do 25mph if being chased by a particularly angry bear.

But talk of your average bicycle rider doing 25mph is simply bollocks.

Perhaps I am not the village idiot after all considering how many times you have ignored or failed to notice I've been talking about e-bikes this entire fucking time.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Perhaps I am not the village idiot after all considering how many times you have ignored or failed to notice I've been talking about e-bikes this entire fucking time.

And what you are talking about is instances of people who are breaking current law. So what? Why bring it up?

 

[8ball]

Quite a lot of drivers are, like me, drivers, riders of motorcycles, cyclists of bikes and pedestrians all rolled into one.

Yeah, people who can’t commit to a tribe, despised by all. Even the bus wankers.

 

[T & P]

And what you are talking about is instances of people who are breaking current law. So what? Why bring it up?

Well, weltweit had asked if cyclists would be subject to the new 20 mph limit legislation in Wales, and I answered him.

 

[8ball]

Well, weltweit had asked if cyclists would be subject to the new 20 mph limit legislation in Wales, and I answered him.

I know this isn’t in the scope of the thread / speed limit changes, but did we also nail down what the deal was re: traffic lights and zebra crossings?

I had a cyclist go off on a right rant once after narrowly missing me on a zebra crossing (admittedly I wasn’t looking in both directions as the Highway Code advises).

 

[newme]

Perhaps I am not the village idiot after all considering how many times you have ignored or failed to notice I've been talking about e-bikes this entire fucking time.

Don't ebikes have a limit of 15.5mph?

 

[edcraw]

Don't ebikes have a limit of 15.5mph?

Yes, the motor cuts out then. What he’s talking about isn’t defined in law as an e-bike.

Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance

Electric bikes meeting the EAPC regulations can be ridden on the road without being taxed, licensed or insured

www.gov.uk

 

[danny la rouge]

E-bikes are just as bad for your health as real bikes, you know.

 

[platinumsage]

Yes, the motor cuts out then. What he’s talking about isn’t defined in law as an e-bike.

Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance

Electric bikes meeting the EAPC regulations can be ridden on the road without being taxed, licensed or insured

www.gov.uk

An e-bike is a bicycle that can be powered by an electric motor as well as pedals. Sure, there's a specific definition in the regulations for an electrically assisted pedal cycle that is not powered above 15.5mph etc, but if you get hit by a non-compliant e-bike the court will still legally regard you as having been hit by an e-bike.

It's like how a 45 tonne overloaded HGV is still an HGV despite being 1 tonne over the maximum permitted weight.

 

[edcraw]

An e-bike is a bicycle that can be powered by an electric motor as well as pedals. Sure, there's a specific definition in the regulations for an electrically assisted pedal cycle that is not powered above 15.5mph etc, but if you get hit by a non-compliant e-bike the court will still legally regard you as having been hit by an e-bike.

It's like how a 45 tonne overloaded HGV is still an HGV despite being 1 tonne over the maximum permitted weight.

It’s classified as a moped and needs a license, registration & to stick to the speed limit.

 

[edcraw]

Spymaster finding my posts funny! Looking forward to the imminent banning after he posts donkey prob again!

 

[Spymaster]

It's like how a 45 tonne overloaded HGV is still an HGV despite being 1 tonne over the maximum permitted weight.

 

[platinumsage]

It’s classified as a moped and needs a license, registration & to stick to the speed limit.

It's still an e-bike though, even though the law may regard it as an e-bike which has been modified such that is regarded as moped under certain regulations.

 

[edcraw]

It's still an e-bike though, even though the law may regard it as an e-bike which has been modified such that is regarded as moped under certain regulations.

Okay - what point is anyone making here?!

Think we need a version of Godwin’s Law that states that any internet thread about drivers quickly descends into people moaning about cyclists.

 

[platinumsage]

Okay - what point is anyone making here?!

That the regulation of two-wheeled electrically powered thingies is all over the place, so it's not possible to have a sensible discussion about requiring them to obey traffic speed limits until that regulation that is sorted out.

 

[edcraw]

Yes - it was a funny point! Or maybe you’re just pissed again!

 

[edcraw]

That the regulation of two-wheeled electrically powered thingies is all over the place, so it's not possible to have a sensible discussion about requiring them to obey traffic speed limits until that regulation that is sorted out.

Is it though? It seems the enforcement is the problem, that no one’s stopping people with illegal mopeds.

 

[platinumsage]

Is it though?

Yes, I think there's a thread about it somewhere.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Most speeders only go so many mph above the limit, up to 10 mph or thereabouts. So reduce the speed limit and most speeders will reduce their speeding as well.

and of course being hit at 30mph will likely kill you and 30 mph is in most cases perfectly legal, so it's not even about people who speed, it's about what's safe for people to drive legally.

 

[danny la rouge]

Okay - what point is anyone making here?!

Think we need a version of Godwin’s Law that states that any internet thread about drivers quickly descends into people moaning about cyclists.

Some drivers are vegans.

 

[edcraw]

Some drivers are vegans.

You know who else was a vegan*?

*vegetarian

 

[8ball]

You know who else was a vegan*?

*vegetarian

Russell Brand?

 

[Spymaster]

Russell Brand?

Charles Manson and Rudolph Hess.

 

[danny la rouge]

You know who else was a vegan*?

*vegetarian

Lewis Hamilton.

 

[Spymaster]

Lewis Hamilton.

Pythagoras.

 

[liquidindian]

Is it though? It seems the enforcement is the problem, that no one’s stopping people with illegal mopeds.

You're right, it's not all over the place at all. It's very straightforward.

 

[T & P]

Don't ebikes have a limit of 15.5mph?

Legal ones, yes. The illegal ones that are now the wheels of choice of just about every food delivery guy in London as well as increasing number of private riders are capable of speeds nearing 30 mph as per my speedometer as I ride alongside them.

 

[liquidindian]

The most common delivery bikes I see are Zoomos, which seem to be legal.