beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Oh just fuck off.
About the 20mph speed limit in Wales built up areas? Which goes live tonight..
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maomao
普費斯
You didn't do physics at school did you.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
some facebook friend said something like "the 20 mph limit and expanding ulez is going to start a poll tax style reaction, "just saying" " 
and they didn't like it when i said it was a load of selfish cunts and left over covid loons and it wouldn't amount to much
and they didn't like it when i said it was a load of selfish cunts and left over covid loons and it wouldn't amount to much
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think he lives next to the border.
I'm interested to see how it goes - I doubt it will be the end of the motoring world because in places where the limit is 30, there weight of traffic usually means you're not doing anything like it anyway. I like the message about speed - but like others, I think for the message to be taken up by all, you can't have exceptions for modes of transport that are seen to be in fashion: it's either about big lumps of metal travelling through built up areas or it's not - I also like that it's using legislative and 'nudge' measures to bring about effects without the need to spend vast sums and endless years on some fantastic new infrastructure or technology.
I'd very much support it's introduction in England.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I do indeed, and I lived in Cardiff for a few years.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
What about electric scooters, some of which can go at quite a speed
Not exclusively. I know at least two roads that I think are bus only, all be it very short roads.
T & P
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Are you actually contesting that people being knocked to the ground don’t ever get seriously injured (and yes, occasionally even killed) from hitting their head hard against the tarmac? Really?
T & P
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Absolutely extraordinary.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
My main gripe with drivers around me is that they don't know how wide their cars are. Theer are roads with a line of parked cars down one side but enough room for passing two way traffic next to them. Nevertheless many drivers stop to give way and don't realise that they could / can fit ..
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
No.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
In case you were wondering why it's hundreds of deaths per year for collisions involving cars and fewer than one death per year for collisions between pedestrians and cyclists.
T & P
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So presumably you wouldn’t have a problem if small and light scooters if not all motorcycles were to be allowed from now on to a) use LTNs, and b) not be prosecuted for doing 25 on a 20, right?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
So presumably you can't back up your insinuation that pushbikes doing 15mph represent a comparable risk to cars doing 30mph? And that's why you're now falling back on your old trick of putting imaginary nonsense in other posters' mouths in the hopes nobody will notice the torrent of shit spouting from your own.
liquidindian
Hello
One day, somewhere, there will be a discussion of road safety that isn't derailed into BUT WORRABOUT THE CYCLISTS?
Not today, though
Not today, though
editor
hiraethified
How many exactly? Say, in the last year or so?
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
I believe we have found an actual U75 village idiot.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
And pedestrians.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Should we do some Newtonian physics on that one?Don’t be silly. Never mind traditional cyclists- London is now full of highly illegal non-pedalling e-bikes doing 25mph+, and you will sooner see the sun rise from the west than the rozzers ever stopping one of them. Even as they jump red lights, which upwards of 80% of them do regularly.
But that’s absolutely fine, because Newton’s laws of motion don’t apply if you get hit at 25 mph by an 85 kg bloke riding a 25 kg machine if he happens to be propelled to such speeds by an electric motor rather than an infernal combustion engine. I feel sorry for all the poor sods who deliver food for a living on those evil ICE small mopeds. What a waste of time and money having to put up with mandatory training, vehicle excise duty, and third party insurance, or being fully accountable for any Highway Code violations, when they could just get an illegal 30 mph electric ‘bicycle’ and enjoy de facto immunity from prosecution for any and all traffic violations. With the added bonus of enjoying full travel rights through all LTNs, and with most anti-car safety campaigners looking the other way if not actively saluting your chosen form of transportation
85 kg + 25 kg = 110 kg mass
Velocity = 25 mph (let's keep this metric and call that 40 kmh - very fucking fast and e-bikes in London don't regularly do 40 kmh in London. That's simply not true. but let's take like it is true)
That's an energy of 1/2 x 110 x 40^2 = 88,000 units
A small car obeying London's lower speed limit and doing 30 kmh, let's say it weighs 1,000 kg with its occupants
That's an energy of 1/2 x 1,000 x 30^2 = 450,000 units
So the small car has roughly five times the kinetic energy of the cyclist even going at the slower speed.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
They’ll take the roads in and roll them out again in the morning once they have changed the signs.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
In case anyone here did GCSE Physics, I’ll make things more familiar by pointing out that the car is a Nissan Micra being driven by Imhotep, and the cyclist is called Afzal.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Wales isn't really a country. In reality it's a province of the UK, owned, and totally reliant on England.
Why would welsh people pay any more regard to this law than we do in London?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
But Scottish Gaelic is having a revival!
Raheem
Well-Known Member
The cacophony of pileups seems to be subsiding now. Maybe it will be OK after all.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Perhaps you're conflating the lack of cacophony with the acute lack of interest the rest of the world has with welsh speed limits.
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