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A thank you to Brexiteers.

It's still going to be poor a few years down the road, but right this second it looks even worse than it actually is because the big bump in inflation hasn't quite ended yet and wage growth lags inflation. If anything, that Cameron/May bar is more damning because there was just the Brexit shock, which wasn't as large an economic bump as we're experiencing now.
 
pesh said:
£60 a month on top of your regular bill to get the same service is no big drama?
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It's not £60. If you want to use your phone abroad for more than a few days then you can buy bundles that will give you a whole months for much less than that.

Anyway - like I said before, the overall trend is one of mobile costs decreasing.

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If you are going to argue that Brexit has made mobile use more expensive you are going to have to compare with what you might have paid prior to Brexit, when the cost of EU calls would have been factored into the overall pricing.

If you were paying £25/m in 2020 and you're paying £15/m now, then you are paying £120 less per year. The 2023 price doesn't include those EU calls but with that £120 saving you could buy an all-month bundle for £20 for 6 months of the year. If you are only going to be spending a couple of weeks a year in the EU and wanting to use your phone, you're going to be better off.

Of course, you can say that if we'd stayed in the EU, the general cost of mobile plans would still have dropped because this trend is not unique to the UK and you'd probably be right. So the question is, how do UK mobile costs compare to countries in the UK? And the answer seems to be that they are lower:

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If Brexit has made mobile phone charges more expensive for anyone, it's probably those who spend a lot of time in the EU - the core remoaner metropolitan elite types. The reality is that their cheap EU phone usage pre Brexit was probably subsidised by hardworking regular Brits who only spend a few days a year (if any) in the EU, but had to have the "free" calls premium factored into the price of their contract regardless.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Quite, rather than going with the EU and their 'keep the darkies out' ways, the UK has taken back control and is once again welcoming immigrants from all over the world :thumbs:
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That "welcoming" is doing some very heavy lifting in what you've posited there.
Not sure I remember too many L campaigners citing >X2 net mig. as an argument in favour!
 
Now Cameron is back in the game maybe he can solve the ongoing situation where supposedly the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has left the European Union as voted for, and presently there is a 200+ mile land border between the two different systems.
 
teuchter said:
It's not £60. If you want to use your phone abroad for more than a few days then you can buy bundles that will give you a whole months for much less than that.

Anyway - like I said before, the overall trend is one of mobile costs decreasing.

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If you are going to argue that Brexit has made mobile use more expensive you are going to have to compare with what you might have paid prior to Brexit, when the cost of EU calls would have been factored into the overall pricing.

If you were paying £25/m in 2020 and you're paying £15/m now, then you are paying £120 less per year. The 2023 price doesn't include those EU calls but with that £120 saving you could buy an all-month bundle for £20 for 6 months of the year. If you are only going to be spending a couple of weeks a year in the EU and wanting to use your phone, you're going to be better off.

Of course, you can say that if we'd stayed in the EU, the general cost of mobile plans would still have dropped because this trend is not unique to the UK and you'd probably be right. So the question is, how do UK mobile costs compare to countries in the UK? And the answer seems to be that they are lower:

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If Brexit has made mobile phone charges more expensive for anyone, it's probably those who spend a lot of time in the EU - the core remoaner metropolitan elite types. The reality is that their cheap EU phone usage pre Brexit was probably subsidised by hardworking regular Brits who only spend a few days a year (if any) in the EU, but had to have the "free" calls premium factored into the price of their contract regardless.
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Your TL/DR shilling for grasping corporations is tedious in the extreme.
 
brogdale said:
Your TL/DR shilling for grasping corporations is tedious in the extreme.
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Do you really believe that your mobile provider previously gave you that EU roaming for free, rather than charging you, or other customers, more for your monthly contract?
 
To no one's surprise, the majority of Britons now support rejoining the EU single market

A majority of Britons support rejoining the European Union's single market even though that would mean the restoration of the free movement of workers from the bloc, according to a poll published on Wednesday.

Curbing immigration was a key reason Britons voted to leave the European Union in 2016.

Polls in recent months have shown that a majority of people now think Brexit was now a mistake, and Wednesday's poll comes less than a week after data showed that annual net migration to the United Kingdom hit a record high last year - more than double the figure recorded in the year before the Brexit vote.
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The YouGov polling showed that 57% of Britons would now support joining the single market even if that meant the resumption of the free movement of people, a policy which led to millions of families and workers moving to Britain during the country's membership.

One in five people opposed it.
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And also to no one's surprise, the majority of people opposed to rejoining the EU are Tories:
For those respondents who voted to leave the EU and who would back the opposition Labour Party in an election tomorrow, 53% support single market membership, with 31% opposed.

For those who voted for Brexit and intend to vote for the governing Conservatives, only 29% would support a return to the single market, with 54% opposed.
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www.reuters.com

Majority of Britons support rejoining the EU single market - poll

A majority of Britons support rejoining the European Union's single market even though that would mean the restoration of the free movement of workers from the bloc, according to a poll published on Wednesday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
Would ya' believe it!

‘Smarter’ people were more likely to have voted to remain in the European Union, a new study has claimed.

Research from the University of Bath’s School of Management found that cognitive skills including memory, verbal fluency, fluid reasoning and numerical reasoning, were correlated with how people decided to vote.


The research used a nationally representative sample of 6,366 individuals from 3,183 couples collected as part of a large survey called Understanding Society.


They found that, of the people with the lowest cognitive ability, only 40% voted Remain, whereas 73% of those with the highest cognitive ability voted Remain.

“This study adds to existing academic evidence showing that low cognitive ability makes people more susceptible to misinformation and disinformation,” lead author Dr Chris Dawson said.
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www.independent.co.uk

People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims

The study also found that being the ‘smartest’ person in a couple increased your chance of voting remain
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
editor said:
To no one's surprise, the majority of Britons now support rejoining the EU single market





And also to no one's surprise, the majority of people opposed to rejoining the EU are Tories:


www.reuters.com

Majority of Britons support rejoining the EU single market - poll

A majority of Britons support rejoining the European Union's single market even though that would mean the restoration of the free movement of workers from the bloc, according to a poll published on Wednesday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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Majority favour single market membership at the time. I know I vote leave thinking we would remain in the single market , and I was not the only one.

But, what's done is done. And really glad given how choppy next year is looking, that joining the EUro isn't happening
 
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