The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Yes, that was the term used mainly for MPs at one time. Not sure but I think it became fashionable late 80s?
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Yes, that was the term used mainly for MPs at one time. Not sure but I think it became fashionable late 80s?
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Correct. The main term before then was ‘anti-marketeer’. As Tony Benn (who according to posters here was ‘a Tory’ erasing the fact that opposition to the market was, in fact, led by the Labour left and trade union movement) is quoted as saying “I was born a European and I will die one”, he argued. But, he went on, “I have never put my alliance behind the treaty of Rome. I object to it. I hate being called an anti-European. How can one be anti-European when one is born in Europe?...
The origins are grounded in opposition to the market and this provides some context to the historical development:
Euroscepticism and Opposition to British Entry into the EEC, 1955-75
Introduction The 2016 debate leading up to the referendum in which the British people were asked to decide on their country’s future inside or outside the EU revolved around a series of issues many...
journals.openedition.org
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
ok so since the 1960 voices from both sides were Eurosceptic/ anti marketers but we're effectively unless as more the county aligned more with Europe
then right wing arm of the Tories and the head bangers like farrage and the Aussie fucker took over and made brexit happen
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
I wonder if any other posters on here have attended protests of less than a thousand people which have not received coverage on the BBC?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Grew up in a Labour household but was unaware of Labour's history
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
ok so since the 1960 voices from both sides were Eurosceptic/ anti marketers but we're effectively unless as more the county aligned more with Europe
then right wing arm of the Tories and the head bangers like farrage and the Aussie fucker took over and made brexit happen
The problem with hiding behind Tony Benn is that the Lexit argument was in no way driving the brexit propaganda or close to making its point heard in the fight to leave or stay in the EU.
There’s always been arguments against the EU from a left perspective but this ref, despite best attempts to argue otherwise, was a campaign rooted in the struggles for control of the Conservative Party and backed by the media eager to whip up anti immigrant sentiment both sides weaponised nostalgia to do it.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Leave got most votes.
The ballot paper did not distinguish between England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The thing that got the most votes hasn’t happened.
Northern Ireland remains in the single market.
Northern Ireland does not have a functioning regional government at the moment.
This is over seven years since the referendum.
Everybody who voted leave is in my opinion a complete cunt.
A winning cunt.
The ballot paper did not distinguish between England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The thing that got the most votes hasn’t happened.
Northern Ireland remains in the single market.
Northern Ireland does not have a functioning regional government at the moment.
This is over seven years since the referendum.
Everybody who voted leave is in my opinion a complete cunt.
A winning cunt.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Was there a Lexit argument?
Did it establish what the post leave UK/EU land border would be like after a vote to leave in the light of the GFA?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
And the XL Bully dog ban doesn't apply to Northern Ireland. Leave means leave
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
The most common reason can be summed up as;
1) leave the EU
2) ????
3) Socialist paradise
With the second most popular being We Have Always Been Opposed to the EU
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The recent reference to Benn on the thread was specfically in the context of the debate around the terms used to describe those opposed to the EU before 'Brexiteer'. The ahistorical claim made was that foundational opposition to the EU was a largely a tory one and those opposed to the EU were, in the main Tories. This, of course, is simpy wrong. The first referendum on continued membership of the EU - after the Tories had taken us in - was largely due to the internal debate and pressures within the Labour Government and movement with the right wing (led by Roy Jenkins) in support of remaining in the EU and the left and trade unions (led by Benn) opposed.
Keep up...
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You can prove anything with facts
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I’ve had quite enough of experts
Correct. The main term before then was ‘anti-marketeer’. As Tony Benn (who according to posters here was ‘a Tory’ erasing the fact that opposition to the market was, in fact, led by the Labour left and trade union movement) is quoted as saying “I was born a European and I will die one”, he argued. But, he went on, “I have never put my alliance behind the treaty of Rome. I object to it. I hate being called an anti-European. How can one be anti-European when one is born in Europe?...
The origins are grounded in opposition to the market and this provides some context to the historical development:
Euroscepticism and Opposition to British Entry into the EEC, 1955-75
Introduction The 2016 debate leading up to the referendum in which the British people were asked to decide on their country’s future inside or outside the EU revolved around a series of issues many...
This
is a terrible argument.
You quite easily can; lots of people manage.
teqniq
DisMembered
This piece suggests that the were 'around 3,000 people'
Campaign to rejoin EU gathers strength at protest march
Thousands of people have joined the National Rejoin March in central London
www.independent.co.uk
and this one says 'thousands' - the photo look like a fair few people:
National rejoin march: Thousands of Remainers join anti-Brexit rally in London
Protesters held up placards before the march expressing their discontent with leaving the EU, including “The road to rejoin the EU starts here,” and “Rejoin, Rejoice.”
So not less than a thousand, whatever people might like to think.
gosub
~#
Still half the numbers onthe one the year b4. And well in the zone of the protests that don't get media attention (that this did).This piece suggests that the were 'around 3,000 people'
Campaign to rejoin EU gathers strength at protest march
Thousands of people have joined the National Rejoin March in central London
and this one says 'thousands' - the photo look like a fair few people:
National rejoin march: Thousands of Remainers join anti-Brexit rally in London
Protesters held up placards before the march expressing their discontent with leaving the EU, including “The road to rejoin the EU starts here,” and “Rejoin, Rejoice.”uk.style.yahoo.com
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So not less than a thousand, whatever people might like to think.
Did find doing during Lib Dem conference an odd choice
gosub
~#
My mistake: NRM claimed 50,000 attendees for their Oct2022 one National Rejoin March
How the Indy headlines the 2023 one as gathering strength is anybodys guess
How the Indy headlines the 2023 one as gathering strength is anybodys guess
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This one says 20,000
This one says 50,000
Femi says 100,000 that he counted himself
This one uses a photo from 2019
This one says 50,000
Femi says 100,000 that he counted himself
This one uses a photo from 2019
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Out of interest, and just for some comparison fun, what sort of size of crowds are amassed by those campaigning for Portugal to leave the supra state?
gosub
~#
You could always get a job fucking up people's online grocery orders
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Knew you wouldn't be able to sit on your hands for long.
Out of interest and just for some comparison fun what is the size of the crowds amassed by kents late onset anarchist campaigning against either side that voted in the plebiscite for its false options of versions of neoliberal acceleration?
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
gosub
~#
Glad this lot aren't in charge of anything important.....we've got enough of an inflation headache as it is
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Rejoin is a crap objective.
Civil war between leavers and remainers has more appeal than that.
I now tend to go through life not wanting to know how the people I meet voted.
Because if they reveal they voted leave, I assume they’re selfish stupid destructive bastards in every respect and I don’t want anything to do with them.
Dear Marje, do I have a problem?
Civil war between leavers and remainers has more appeal than that.
I now tend to go through life not wanting to know how the people I meet voted.
Because if they reveal they voted leave, I assume they’re selfish stupid destructive bastards in every respect and I don’t want anything to do with them.
Dear Marje, do I have a problem?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
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