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Not a single remainer was able to answer this question correctly...
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Brexit not the disaster the Remainers predicted, according to one Guardian journalist.
'Britain’s economic performance in the seven years since 2016 has been mediocre but not the full-on horror show that was prophesied by the remain camp during the weeks leading up to the referendum. The doomsday scenario – crashing house prices (falls of up to 18% could result, warned then chancellor George Osborne) and mass unemployment – never happened.'
'Over a prolonged period, not just since the arrival of Covid-19, the EU’s economic performance has been woeful.'
'A number of factors are to blame for the EU’s economic woes. The one-size-fits-all nature of the single currency is one; the lack of a federal budget to match in size that of the US is another; the adherence to neoliberal economic ideas– such as tough controls on the size of budget deficits – a third. The problems go right to the heart of the EU. Its biggest economy – Germany – is expected to contract this year and has been left with a €60bn black hole in the public finances after the country’s constitutional court ruled against the coalition government’s spending plans.
Despite its relative decline, the EU remains prosperous. It is certainly rich enough to act as a magnet for those in poorer parts of the world seeking a better life. So at the same time as its economy has struggled, the number of migrants has increased. One result has been the rise of aggressively rightwing politics. In Germany, Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) is currently second in the opinion polls with voter support running at about 22%. In France, Marine Le Pen could be the next president. Giorgia Meloni leads the most rightwing Italian government since the second world war, while in the Netherlands the anti-immigration Freedom party led by Geert Wilders won the most seats in last month’s election. Something has gone seriously awry when politics in four of the founding members of the European project have turned so ugly.
Nor are the traditionally liberal Scandinavian countries immune to this trend. Denmark – which once had one of the world’s most liberal migration regimes – has shifted from a policy of welcome and integration to one of detention and return. Sweden and Finland have both seen the emergence of ultranationalist rightwing parties.'
www.theguardian.com
'Britain’s economic performance in the seven years since 2016 has been mediocre but not the full-on horror show that was prophesied by the remain camp during the weeks leading up to the referendum. The doomsday scenario – crashing house prices (falls of up to 18% could result, warned then chancellor George Osborne) and mass unemployment – never happened.'
'Over a prolonged period, not just since the arrival of Covid-19, the EU’s economic performance has been woeful.'
'A number of factors are to blame for the EU’s economic woes. The one-size-fits-all nature of the single currency is one; the lack of a federal budget to match in size that of the US is another; the adherence to neoliberal economic ideas– such as tough controls on the size of budget deficits – a third. The problems go right to the heart of the EU. Its biggest economy – Germany – is expected to contract this year and has been left with a €60bn black hole in the public finances after the country’s constitutional court ruled against the coalition government’s spending plans.
Despite its relative decline, the EU remains prosperous. It is certainly rich enough to act as a magnet for those in poorer parts of the world seeking a better life. So at the same time as its economy has struggled, the number of migrants has increased. One result has been the rise of aggressively rightwing politics. In Germany, Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) is currently second in the opinion polls with voter support running at about 22%. In France, Marine Le Pen could be the next president. Giorgia Meloni leads the most rightwing Italian government since the second world war, while in the Netherlands the anti-immigration Freedom party led by Geert Wilders won the most seats in last month’s election. Something has gone seriously awry when politics in four of the founding members of the European project have turned so ugly.
Nor are the traditionally liberal Scandinavian countries immune to this trend. Denmark – which once had one of the world’s most liberal migration regimes – has shifted from a policy of welcome and integration to one of detention and return. Sweden and Finland have both seen the emergence of ultranationalist rightwing parties.'
I've got news for those who say Brexit is a disaster: it isn't. That’s why rejoining is just a pipe dream | Larry Elliott
Many still hanker for how things were: but looking across the Channel, it’s completely illogical to do that, says Guardian columnist Larry Elliott
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ska invita
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Larry Eliot is one of the most pro Leave voices in the media from day one, he is very partisan. As an economist he seems to do an amazing job of totally ignoring data like this
Brexit is Costing the UK £100 Billion a Year in Lost Output
Brexit is costing the UK economy £100 billion a year ($124 billion), with the effects spanning everything from business investment to the ability of companies to hire workers.
www.bloomberg.com
UK govenrment borrowing is at record highs, IIRC serving the debt remains eye watering, and british infrastructure is collapsing infront of our eyes
UK government borrowing near record high for October
Second-highest figure for the month confirms pressure on public finances ahead of Autumn Statement
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Anyone implying that the UK economy has outperformed those of supra-state members because of their "adherence to neoliberal economic ideas" is clearly spouting from his southern mouth.Larry Eliot is one of the most pro Leave voices in the media from day one, he is very partisan. As an economist he seems to do an amazing job of totally ignoring data like this
whether anyone sypmathises with the rationale and logic of that is another questionBrexit is Costing the UK £100 Billion a Year in Lost Output
Brexit is costing the UK economy £100 billion a year ($124 billion), with the effects spanning everything from business investment to the ability of companies to hire workers.
UK govenrment borrowing is at record highs, IIRC serving the debt remains eye watering, and british infrastructure is collapsing infront of our eyes
...all down to Brexit? No, but how anyone has anything positive to say about the state of Britain is beyond meUK government borrowing near record high for October
Second-highest figure for the month confirms pressure on public finances ahead of Autumn Statementwww.ft.com
ska invita
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also all the stuff about the growing dominance of the far right in European politics applies absolutely equally to Britain, and Brexit played its nativist part in that also. i really dont see what point he is making bringing the fascist creep into a case about post-Brexit
philosophical
Well-Known Member
The people voted leave.
The people didn’t vote ‘Brexit’.
The vote has fucked things up on the island of lreland.
The people didn’t vote ‘Brexit’.
The vote has fucked things up on the island of lreland.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
These statements don't seem exactly positive.Larry Eliot is one of the most pro Leave voices in the media from day one, he is very partisan. As an economist he seems to do an amazing job of totally ignoring data like this
whether anyone sypmathises with the rationale and logic of that is another questionBrexit is Costing the UK £100 Billion a Year in Lost Output
Brexit is costing the UK economy £100 billion a year ($124 billion), with the effects spanning everything from business investment to the ability of companies to hire workers.
UK govenrment borrowing is at record highs, IIRC serving the debt remains eye watering, and british infrastructure is collapsing infront of our eyes
...all down to Brexit? No, but how anyone has anything positive to say about the state of Britain is beyond meUK government borrowing near record high for October
Second-highest figure for the month confirms pressure on public finances ahead of Autumn Statement
'Britain’s economic performance in the seven years since 2016 has been mediocre but not the full-on horror show that was prophesied by the remain camp during the weeks leading up to the referendum. The doomsday scenario – crashing house prices (falls of up to 18% could result, warned then chancellor George Osborne) and mass unemployment – never happened.'
'Brexit provided opportunities to do things differently but those opportunities have so far not been exploited.'
And anyway, the thrust of the article is that Brexit didn't go into meltdown after Brexit like many Remainers were confident it would, and that the EU heartlands have major problems of their own.
ska invita
back on the other side
well depends which prediction you match against
i think it is broadly matching those predicted by the OBR - although OBR expected a lower migration figure, whereas the opposite has happened
there remain border checks that haven't been implemented of course....i wonder how long that can will be kicked for.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
My guess is for the remainder of this dying Tory government following the gradual withering away of the need for border checks as Shur Kieth's administration moves towards a stealthy re-joining of the single market over time.
Dreadful pile-up queues at Dover in peak holiday season and at Christmas has reduced even the most salivating Brexiteer appetite for full border checks I think.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
It may (?) be true that the "EU heartlands have major problems of their own", but aside from being part of the Euro-zone, I can't see what credible factors that Eliot regards as unique to the supra-state members that don't afflict the UK economy. The whole premise of the article is a nonsense; it's redundant to compare the post-brexit performance of the UK against EU economies without attempting to analyse the impact on the UK economy of non membership.
gosub
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House prices ARE falling. That ain't Brexit (is in the mix tbf).
Eurozone headaches, next year, down well to get some distance.. UK dependence on the financial sector our own nightmare.
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House Price Statistics - UK House Price Index
landregistry.data.gov.uk
6 days ago news:
UK house prices beat forecasts to rise again in November
Nationwide reports third consecutive monthly increase as hopes grow of stabilisation in property market
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gosub
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Oh yeah .and intrest rates do go down next year. THEN the markets crash crash.er
View attachment 403296House Price Statistics - UK House Price Index
6 days ago news:
UK house prices beat forecasts to rise again in November
Nationwide reports third consecutive monthly increase as hopes grow of stabilisation in property market
T & P
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The cunting shitshow that is Brexit continues to fuck up the lives of countless ordinary families and cause untold distress. But hey, socialist paradise arriving any moment now...
French national living in Leicester for 42 years faces deportation
Leonarda Zarcone found out she did not have residency when she returned from a wedding in France.
www.bbc.co.uk
philosophical
Well-Known Member
There you are any lexiters here, equivocate away, but your vote to leave is continuing to fuck things in Ireland.
Stormont: Protesters tell politicians to 'get back to work'
Health workers stage a noisy protest as parties arrive for crucial talks with the government.
www.bbc.co.uk
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Part-time and shift workers to lose up to £248m holiday pay in UK rule change
Experts say alteration to holiday rights is one of the most significant erosions of employment protections since UK left EU
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
tbcPart-time and shift workers to lose up to £248m holiday pay in UK rule change
Experts say alteration to holiday rights is one of the most significant erosions of employment protections since UK left EU
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
From the above article...
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It looks to me a bit like the way this is being reported is nonsense. The actual judgement is here:
Is it not the case that the changes have been justified with reference to EU law? Because the law as it stands is essentially retained EU legislation.
Look at paragraphs 78 and 79.
Doesn't that mean that the exact same conclusion would have been reached if we were still in the EU.
Additionally, paragraph 2 suggests that the UK allowance is actually more generous that what the EU WTD requires, and this has not changed.
Is it not the case that the changes have been justified with reference to EU law? Because the law as it stands is essentially retained EU legislation.
Look at paragraphs 78 and 79.
Doesn't that mean that the exact same conclusion would have been reached if we were still in the EU.
Additionally, paragraph 2 suggests that the UK allowance is actually more generous that what the EU WTD requires, and this has not changed.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Leave voters are not responsible for the antics of the DUP. Their refusal to accept being the minority party in the north is the reason for the intransigence.There you are any lexiters here, equivocate away, but your vote to leave is continuing to fuck things in Ireland.
Stormont: Protesters tell politicians to 'get back to work'
Health workers stage a noisy protest as parties arrive for crucial talks with the government.www.bbc.co.uk
I do credit them for their ability to extract eye watering extra funds for the north as part of the negotiations though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
We've had seven years in the merde
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Leave voters created two different systems either side of a land border on the island of Ireland with no suggestion as to how that is supposed to be managed.
The subsequent mess is exploited by the DUP.
Yes they don’t want to be the minority party in ‘power sharing’, but they also want Northern Ireland to be treated no differently than Wales, Scotland, Kent or Cornwall within the UK.
Different treatment would not be happening if the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland was treated all the same as implied in the vote and written in black and white on the ballot paper.
It might be convenient for leave voters to blame the mess they have caused on the DUP, but it wouldn’t be true.
Any leave voters want to say in exact detail how to deal with the land border?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
the Guardian reports an October 2024 start for the EU's EES system allowing us, as citizens of a 'third country' to offer up our biometric data to the supra-state if we want to spend so much as a half a day in Calais.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
All new Portuguese ID cards and national state ID cards across the EU ( which are also used as passports within the EU) are biometric now . I got mine done last year photo , fingerprints and signature . Book on line provide scan of documents and then pitch up for the photo and electronic finger prints .
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