The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
and you get some people in their 50s who act as if they are 65 years old. They need looking at as well.
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
bimble
floofy
Is it offensive? I know it’s not nice but I think it makes sense. Lots of people are excluded from right to vote already, why should someone whose 70 have a vote on the future and not someone whose 14?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The trouble with this sort of thing is that it reminds me of the 2016 arguments we used to have on here when, along with some other posters, I used to argue with those that said the elderly, kipper-oriented folk were just thick or out and out racist. I know some were, but then again, I knew many older Leave voters in my family who were taken in by the false prophets of the Leave campaigns because they did remember the better times, pre 1973/5 when ordinary working class folk could expect stable employment, cohesive communities, cradle-to-grave welfare, (genuinely) affordable housing and some sense of hope. I've always thought it really important that younger votes consider that context when the just dismiss older voters as credulous and unworthy of the franchise.
bimble
floofy
Sure. I think nostalgia of various kinds was a huge factor in the outcome. But in general, though I know it’ll never happen, I think things would work much better if the pensioners vote wasn’t always such a huge consideration in what happens next. And age of enfranchisement should be lowered.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yes
So you're not stopping then.
My late gf was a lifelong anti-fascist. She had years of political experience to draw on. A 14 year old...doesn't.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You said 65 earlier.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
A mere detail. The general thrust of the argument is clear.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
What the fuck is this?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
And what's the graph of union membership with age? And what does that tell you?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Oh I see , disenfranchisement is in fact a progressive thing that would hasten in great period of wanky reformism .
Raheem
Well-Known Member
That most people stop their subs sometime in their sixties, the flippin' boomer turncoats.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I wouldn't rely on Peston to tell me what colour the sky was
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Then there's hope yet for Lexit League of Youth!
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Smangus
comatose at a desk
So edgy and Logan's Run,
jeez.
bimble
floofy
i didn't mean to piss everyone off, its not like its ever going to happen anyway, in fact the opposite is happening right now isn't it.
Still, would be interested to hear what people think the reason is for age being the single most important predictor of how people voted in the referendum.
Still, would be interested to hear what people think the reason is for age being the single most important predictor of how people voted in the referendum.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Nostalgia and 40 years of press and politicians blaming Europe for Westminsters fuck ups and budget cuts
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Up above we were talking about what I called remembering the actually better times of the “Trente Glorieuses”, and what you called nostalgia, I do think those old enough to have experienced working life pre 1975 were more vulnerable to the ‘coincidence is correlation’ Leave lies that things could be better again if only we “took back control”. Add in factors like the non-digital generation being less savvy with the deluge of propaganda on the dreadful FB pages that they use and a less cynical view about politicians etc etc...
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yep, actually buying & reading real newspapers every fucking morning must be factored in. My old Mum can hardly move but she’ll schlep up to the Coop every day of the week to get her fecking Daily Mail...must get the Nectar points, or some such shite.
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Mum is a lefty but she bought the Mail until recently out of some weird loyalty to it. The turgid shite of it finally got to much for her last year I think (she voted remain and pretty much always votes Labour, I was brought up on a diet of never vote Tory and the Lib Dem’s are just piss tories)
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Same(ish); barmy, innit?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Also bimble things like older folk being brought up in a more overtly racist society and in times when they still stood around the butchers apron in the playground on Empire day...and being too old/poor/infirm to be personally invested in any of the freedom of movement/passport scare stories etc. etc...
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yep, that’s why I was so impressed when my, then 85 YO Dad rang his Grandchildren to ask them how they thought he should vote in their best interests. Good old Dad, he did vote remain because they asked him to.
ska invita
back on the other side
sure sign brexit is never going away....will remain a political issue forever
EU supporting tories is obviously nothing new, but the vocalisation of all this coming so soon after the result is pretty fascinating
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Thats a sorry thing, and same with my old dad although he fixates on the times, equally crap.
Still... the walk does them good and if they do the crossword thats good for their old heads.
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