Barbary
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When NI is no longer part of a group of countries, then they will have autonomy. It's called independence. It's what the Brexit vote was for, for the UK. It's what remainers don't get.
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When NI is no longer part of a group of countries, then they will have autonomy. It's called independence. It's what the Brexit vote was for, for the UK. It's what remainers don't get.
Barbary
New Member
Answering questions isn't one of remainers' superpowers, I've discovered.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
This is mind-numbing
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Rishi Sunak can’t compromise his protocol deal. He must face down the DUP | Simon Jenkins
The prime minister has to stand firm against Northern Ireland’s backwoodsmen, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins
Totally agree with this article
teqniq
DisMembered
What is this even supposed to mean? It's just a throwaway statement because you haven't got anything else. Most halfway sensible people are despairing of the shitshow that is Brexit as enacted by the corrupt right wing ideologues that constitute the vermin at present. Maybe somewhere down the road there may be an opportunity to build something better from a left wing perspective but I am not massively optimistic. Really poor effort, particularly as you are whining that it is somehow remainers fault; the situation we now find ourselves in, in the post that I am replying to
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andysays
Love and solidarity
The whole idea of natural borders is a bit of a nonsense, but if we wanted to find the "natural" border between Britain/ the UK and Ireland, the sea would be the obvious place to put it.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Jenkins appears to overlook that Sunak could get this through the HoC in a jot as he already has the promised, whipped support of HMLO to do so. It's just that Sunak doesn't want to expose the riven nature of his own shitshow party and his weakness as leader. As ever, with everything to do with brexit, this is more about the tory party than anything else.Rishi Sunak can’t compromise his protocol deal. He must face down the DUP | Simon Jenkins
The prime minister has to stand firm against Northern Ireland’s backwoodsmen, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkinswww.theguardian.com
Totally agree with this article
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Is it a political border or a ‘natural’ border, or do you see those as the same thing?
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Voting in elections does count as belonging to a full democratic system.
Unless of course you wish to define ‘full’ in some other way.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You offered me an answer so shallow and facile I can't believe you meant it to be taken seriously. So try again, maybe this time it might not be a great turd
The occupied 6 counties will be free of the UK , that's all that matters.
The EU did not oppress or brutalize Ireland. This is what you imperialist apologists don't get.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
In the Algarve we haven't had the same weather issues as North Africa and some regions in Spain so there is still local produce and the internal food supply seems ok. In fact, I've got lettuces growing in my veg plot and some cherry tomato plants in pots are flowering and fruiting.
I. was with a friend in Intermarche and the new Aldi and she said she wasn't aware that Portugal imported so much fruit and veg from South America. The strawberries are but tasteless tbh . Anyway got to dash we are off to the beach as its the last day the sun is out and it 20c, tomorrow the temp plummets and back to grey .
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Barbary
New Member
I think I've already qualified that. It's the natural political border, until NI isn't called NI anymore.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
The myth of “all this ethnic group belongs here” is a powerful one even though it’s tied into the very nature of nationalism and not how our ancestors used to live.
People roam, always have.
Barbary
New Member
Irony - the pope gave permission to French-speaking Henry II to invade Ireland. The Northern Irish want independence, the Scots want independence. It's so, so important to them. Some people vote for the independence of the UK - You know what remainers said to that? I'll tell you - Fk Off.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
NI was carved out specifically to produce a unionist majority. There was nothing 'natural' about that. It didn't even have tradition on its side. It isn't the whole of the historic province of Ulster.
Barbary
New Member
Someone said that, earlier. It's natural, in the sense that it exists and is internationally recognised as marking NI from the Republic. You might want to dispute the concept of it being natural, but it exists.
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Barbary
New Member
You don't quite get the difference between a standard approach to elections, and what we had to go through to rid ourselves of the EU.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Natural does not mean “it exists” all political borders are inherently artificial, a natural border is a transition from one state to another like a river or a sea or a landmark break in topography like a forest or ecological change.
Norns border with Ireland is man made, and so artificial that it cuts across peoples actual houses so you wake up in Ireland and piss in Britain.
bimble
floofy
You talk as if you’d lost, or brexit hasn’t happened. But you won and brexiteers have been in charge since then and we have indeed brexited.
So why are you obsessed with ‘remainers’ ? They’re irrelevant, some people who lost a vote 7 years ago . Very weird behaviour.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
I thought brexit was about full communism?
Barbary
New Member
And? England didn't naturally exist, or Scotland, or Wales, but these have been defined as 'naturally' occupying defined areas. You can use the term "naturally" to imply assumed. It is a given. It is more natural for the border to be where it actual is, than in the sea. In the sea, it is just a demarcation for a trade environment.
Barbary
New Member
How can the idea of independence and individualism be allied to communism? If you want communism, think standardisation throughout, political union and synchronisation, unable to vote out the government - the EU.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
So you're an anarchist then?
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