Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Cos it doesn't affect them/matter to them and anyone it does affect and is pissed off about it is just being silly.
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Never mind even their own grandchildren and all subsequent generations being denied this
as a possibility, Brexit has already fucked up the lives of countless couples- in some cases forcing them to live separate lives. But still worth supporting it, because it’s LOL two fingers to the big bad EU.
Why shouldn’t someone wishing to move to another country to make an honest living be allowed to do so? It’s no surprise that right wing Brexit supporters wouldn’t give two shits about that EU privilege, since most of them are fundamentally opposed to the principle of foreigners coming here and taking our jobs. Left wing Brexit supporters on the other hand… wtf?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Unless I missed it the issue of controlling inflation either by hope, wish or socialist governments wasn't an issue during the referendum.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
I get that the EU isn't great, but the way leaving (unsurprisingly) was handled was bad. Not to mention that people weren't told how and what would happen or not happen. There are bad things about the EU and ultimately it's a capitalist trading bloc, so I get why someone on the left would - and probably should - oppose it. But the material ways in which actual Brexit has affected people for the worse - I don't understand the sneering and joking about that.
Like the other day when I posted about being pissed off over the people will have to pay to enter Schengen countries, that's just a joke apparently as €7 on top of everything else seems to be no big deal to some people, and so it must be no big deal to everyone else.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think you’re right; I don’t remember it being explicitly discussed as it wasn’t particularly a live political issue in 2016, was it? I do remember stuff from the leave campaign about how things would be cheaper after Brexit, though.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Probably but these far fetched claims about cheaper goods etc in referendums weren't even original
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Eh?Probably but these far fetched claims about cheaper goods etc in referendums weren't even original
That seems to be aimed at wealthy folk aspiring to buy property abroad; not much to do with the prices in the inflation basket.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
So…those massive, heavily patrolled fences in Cueta and Melilla, tear them down and allow free movement?
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
yes. next question.
Unless you want to expand on why they shouldn't?
Unless you want to expand on why they shouldn't?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I agree they should, the EU thinks otherwise though. Surely Denmark would welcome a few million hard working immigrants each year, yeah?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Conversely you’d have the right to go and take a low paid job in Ouagadougou, it’s a win-win!
bimble
floofy
It's not forever, we'll go crawling back in, and sooner than expected. I reckon within my lifetime, which is quite a lot shorter than forever.
bimble
floofy
On their terms, minus all the special perks and opt outs and stuff that we had before, why not.
ska invita
back on the other side
customs union, rule taking arrangement, no freedom of movement, seems a possibility
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
This analyst reckons support to rejoin will have to approach 75% before the EU will be interested in discussing it.
Prof Rob Ford, of Manchester University, said Starmer’s reluctance to focus on Brexit was understandable.
“This is a country with a rather large collection of ongoing dumpster fires, right here, in domestic politics,” he says. “Some of them are contributed to by Brexit, yes, but rejoining is a long-term project.”
Ford, who is the co-author of the book Brexitland, about the politics of leaving the EU, argues that any plan to rejoin now would be likely to hit a brick wall in Brussels anyway.
"EU leaders are not stupid. They haven’t forgotten who they were dealing with for the last three years. They’re never going to let us in the door until both Labour and the Conservatives are committed to doing it,” he said.
He believes support for rejoining would have to settle at perhaps 70-75%, and have the backing of both main parties’ leaderships, before the EU would risk investing precious political capital in negotiations that could be unpicked by a change of government.
www.theguardian.com
I can't see rejoining being raised as a serious possibility any time this decade and I doubt that many people are interested in reviving the Brexit Wars at this point, though this average of poll results suggests that the numbers are moving quickly.
Prof Rob Ford, of Manchester University, said Starmer’s reluctance to focus on Brexit was understandable.
“This is a country with a rather large collection of ongoing dumpster fires, right here, in domestic politics,” he says. “Some of them are contributed to by Brexit, yes, but rejoining is a long-term project.”
Ford, who is the co-author of the book Brexitland, about the politics of leaving the EU, argues that any plan to rejoin now would be likely to hit a brick wall in Brussels anyway.
"EU leaders are not stupid. They haven’t forgotten who they were dealing with for the last three years. They’re never going to let us in the door until both Labour and the Conservatives are committed to doing it,” he said.
He believes support for rejoining would have to settle at perhaps 70-75%, and have the backing of both main parties’ leaderships, before the EU would risk investing precious political capital in negotiations that could be unpicked by a change of government.
As leave voters’ Brexit regret rises, will political parties dare to follow?
Even leavers might be changing their minds, but there’s little incentive for opposition to revisit issue, say analysts
I can't see rejoining being raised as a serious possibility any time this decade and I doubt that many people are interested in reviving the Brexit Wars at this point, though this average of poll results suggests that the numbers are moving quickly.
ska invita
back on the other side
thats official rejoining, theres legalistic steps towards alignment that can happen before then without a referendum...supposedly the EU are waiting on Labour to get in power to resolve current border disputes for that reasonThis analyst reckons support to rejoin will have to approach 75% before the EU will be interested in discussing it.
Prof Rob Ford, of Manchester University, said Starmer’s reluctance to focus on Brexit was understandable.
“This is a country with a rather large collection of ongoing dumpster fires, right here, in domestic politics,” he says. “Some of them are contributed to by Brexit, yes, but rejoining is a long-term project.”
Ford, who is the co-author of the book Brexitland, about the politics of leaving the EU, argues that any plan to rejoin now would be likely to hit a brick wall in Brussels anyway.
"EU leaders are not stupid. They haven’t forgotten who they were dealing with for the last three years. They’re never going to let us in the door until both Labour and the Conservatives are committed to doing it,” he said.
He believes support for rejoining would have to settle at perhaps 70-75%, and have the backing of both main parties’ leaderships, before the EU would risk investing precious political capital in negotiations that could be unpicked by a change of government.
As leave voters’ Brexit regret rises, will political parties dare to follow?
Even leavers might be changing their minds, but there’s little incentive for opposition to revisit issue, say analysts
I can't see rejoining being raised as a serious possibility any time this decade and I doubt that many people are interested in reviving the Brexit Wars at this point, though this average of poll results suggests that the numbers are moving quickly.
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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Since I am not Denmark, merely living here, I can't answer on it's behalf and I'm fairly sure our values don't align. But Denmark like all good European states put's it's refugees in camps. Like the Nazis did with the jews. Or France does. Or England is planning. Or the Nederlands. Or Greece.
But I agree, England needs to sort it's own problems out first. Without pesky interference from the EU. Now they aren't involved and you are still getting mugged off, see if you can figure out who is doing it.
God save the king.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Refugees? Totally different matter, unlimited economic migration is what you and T&P agreed to here.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Rob Ford was the first person to have blocked me on TwitterThis analyst reckons support to rejoin will have to approach 75% before the EU will be interested in discussing it.
Prof Rob Ford, of Manchester University, said Starmer’s reluctance to focus on Brexit was understandable.
“This is a country with a rather large collection of ongoing dumpster fires, right here, in domestic politics,” he says. “Some of them are contributed to by Brexit, yes, but rejoining is a long-term project.”
Ford, who is the co-author of the book Brexitland, about the politics of leaving the EU, argues that any plan to rejoin now would be likely to hit a brick wall in Brussels anyway.
"EU leaders are not stupid. They haven’t forgotten who they were dealing with for the last three years. They’re never going to let us in the door until both Labour and the Conservatives are committed to doing it,” he said.
He believes support for rejoining would have to settle at perhaps 70-75%, and have the backing of both main parties’ leaderships, before the EU would risk investing precious political capital in negotiations that could be unpicked by a change of government.
As leave voters’ Brexit regret rises, will political parties dare to follow?
Even leavers might be changing their minds, but there’s little incentive for opposition to revisit issue, say analysts
I can't see rejoining being raised as a serious possibility any time this decade and I doubt that many people are interested in reviving the Brexit Wars at this point, though this average of poll results suggests that the numbers are moving quickly.
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bimble
floofy
I get the temptation to liken all bad things to nazis but this is a bit shit/childish.
If I say that these two things are not the same it probably means Im outing myself as a big fan of Denmark’s treatment of refugees though.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
The professor or the crack mayor?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think it's fair to say the nazis anticipated a rather different outcome for their jewish detainees than the danish do for their refugees.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Think bigger. Forwards as well as backwards.
You are after all lucky to be alive in the times of greatest disparity.
You are after all lucky to be alive in the times of greatest disparity.
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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
really?I get the temptation to liken all bad things to nazis but this is a bit shit/childish.
If I say that these two things are not the same it probably means Im outing myself as a big fan of Denmark’s treatment of refugees though.
For the holocaust to have been carried out it relied on ignorance.
They dont talk about the camps here. People are unaware.
They just made laws in the UK holding social media companies responsible if people post pictures of migrant boat crossings in the UK.
Have you seen the size of the camps at Calais?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
snap! well, 2nd person...1st was Robert Webb
Are they systematically exterminating migrants? If not, they’re not really comparable to Nazi camps.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
yes.
www.dw.com
news.un.org
Is Frontex involved in illegal 'pushbacks'? – DW – 01/08/2021
Refugees and migrants in Greece trying to reach western Europe have accused EU border protection agency Frontex of taking part in illegal deportations known as "pushbacks." DW reports.
www.dw.com
UNHCR ‘firmly’ opposing UK-Rwanda offshore migration processing deal
A deal reportedly made by the United Kingdom to send some migrants for processing and relocation to the Central African nation of Rwanda, are at odds with States’ responsibility to take care of those in need of protection, the UN refugee agency, UNHCR, said on Thursday.
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