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A thank you to Brexiteers.

You're right Smokeandsteam i am a defeatist, a pessimist, compared to you. I am more & more convinced that's what the dividing line really was, or at least some of it, remoaners are and were not the side of the optimists.
 
I don’t see how it can be said the EU debate has been settled.
The Northern Ireland assembly isn’t working because some of them are pissed off with an EU issue, and the UK government is running with that pissed offness.
In the meantime a lot of ordinary life in that part of the UK is getting worse as a result.
Doesn’t look settled to me.
 
Important to remember that 'came within a few thousand votes of winning' still means lost. And equally important to remember it's not 2017 anymore - you can't honestly characterize someone negatively as being stuck in 2016 when you're stuck yourself at a point not even one full year later.
 
philosophical said:
I don’t see how it can be said the EU debate has been settled.
The Northern Ireland assembly isn’t working because some of them are pissed off with an EU issue, and the UK government is running with that pissed offness.
In the meantime a lot of ordinary life in that part of the UK is getting worse as a result.
Doesn’t look settled to me.
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The Unionists don’t want to lose their current power hence a refusal to participate in govt. They will never be happy with diminished power. Fuck them.
 
TopCat said:
You asked another three times but don’t want to answer your own question?
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i think it would be ok if we were a bit more like sweden economically, for example, which is a country that exists, where people all the time vote for high tax in exchange for decent services, but thats no good cos its in the eu.
 
Pickman's model said:
for me, the leftwing vote to leave was as i've said before more to provide the opportunity for something better to emerge. to put a stick in the spokes of business as usual. the notion that the political opportunities of brexit have all vanished is to me really foolish. the idea that everything has to be really quick puts me in mind of what zhou enlai said about significance of the french revolution, that it was too early to tell. and for me it's certainly too soon to see how everything here might play out over brexit. the tory party seems to be in something of a death spiral and their demise would be an event of really great importance. the now now now insistence of the remainers seems to me to be based on little of actual substance. the departure may have occurred but the game is still in play.
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Truth in that but it's an immiserationist* position in practice

*Good word I learnt on urban this month
 
ska invita said:
Truth in that but it's an immiserationist* position in practice

*Good word I learnt on urban this month
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the economic policies of the tory government have always been immiserationist, be they the policies of the cameron, may, johnson, truss or sunak administrations. brexit has not changed the tack they're on.
 
Pickman's model said:
the economic policies of the tory government have always been immiserationist, be they the policies of the cameron, may, johnson, truss or sunak administrations. brexit has not changed the tack they're on.
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It's objectively true and obvious that a hard Brexit was a Fuck Business immiserationist policy
 
It is if you look on a graph


Left wing support for immiserationist positions is not new and can be justified, in fact I remember it being justified on here in 2015...

An honest take would acknowledge the fuck business, short term hardship effect.
 
ska invita said:
It is if you look on a graph


Left wing support for immiserationist positions is not new and can be justified, in fact I remember it being justified on here in 2015...

An honest take would acknowledge the fuck business, short term hardship effect.
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if you want to be honest you might acknowledge the longer term drive towards hardship for millions of public sector workers, not to mention so many people in the private sector.

from the tenor of your posts you're not so fussed about them as you are about business.
 
Yossarian said:
This 'crappy Brexit memes' thread has become the 'TL:DR Brexit rants' thread, didn't there used to be another one?
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In the golden age of brexit fighting i am sure we had loads on the go at the same time but this is now the preserve of extremists and masochists only. Move along if thats not your scene.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Your argument is nonsensical. Give one example of where Brexit has allowed those ‘who wish to strip the UK down’ has actually occurred. By that I mean where has Brexit been used to ‘strip things down’….

Yes, it is a Tory Brexit and - leaving aside whose fault that is - our task is to make it a Brexit ground in rebuilding a national economy.


Correct.
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the bonfire of eu regulations that will make trade impossible since diverging from regulatory alignment would be a huge blunder
 
bimble said:
who is "the remain side" now, in your view, is it a handful of obsessive weirdos or is it the clear & growing majority of the country who now say they think brexit was a mistake? Just checking.
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In my view (though you didn't ask for it) THIS Brexit was a mistake, but it is what it is. An even bigger mistake would be to rejoin, and those who favour such an option should start being honest about what it would entail....Also going to find its not just the UK that's going to face austere few years, because there are a number of other factors at play....EU membership is far from a panacea
 
Smokeandsteam said:
The former: a dwindling number of obsessive weirdos who view everything through the prism of Brexit.

The majority of the country recognise a) that a multiplicity of factors are at work b) that the structural economic problems that Britain faces pre-date Brexit and c) that the Tories have botched Brexit and Truss’ budget lit the fuse.

Most people recognise that the EU debate is settled and want an economic plan that improves matters. They don’t have a disabling confirmation bias. Unlike remainers.
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You'll be happy to provide evidence for all the above assertions I would hope because I saw a very recent poll that showed a majority of people in the UK thought leaving the EU was a mistake (only 52% but still a majority) and there are a number of polls going back further that all indicate that people want to rejoin:

www.statista.com

Brexit poll 2024 | Statista

The share of people who regret Brexit has increased since the UK left the EU. Recent polls show a growing majority think it was the wrong decision.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

www.independent.co.uk

Brexit: Rejoining EU takes record 14-point lead in latest poll

Economic problems driving support for reversing Brexit ‘mistake’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

www.businessinsider.com

Support for Brexit is collapsing as poll finds big majority of British people want to be in the EU

A newly released survey found that 57% of British people wanted to rejoin the European Union, with support for Brexit collapsing.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
 
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gosub said:
In my view (though you didn't ask for it) THIS Brexit was a mistake, but it is what it is. An even bigger mistake would be to rejoin, and those who favour such an option should start being honest about what it would entail....Also going to find its not just the UK that's going to face austere few years, because there are a number of other factors at play....EU membership is far from a panacea
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Brexit wasn't some kind of natural phenomenon. And THIS Brexit is an ongoing mistake. The conversation ought to be about how to fix the problems it's caused. The idea that 'the EU debate is settled', as suggested upthread, is patently wrong. This relationship with the EU is a disaster and will need to be changed. Nothing is settled.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Brexit wasn't some kind of natural phenomenon. And THIS Brexit is an ongoing mistake. The conversation ought to be about how to fix the problems it's caused. The idea that 'the EU debate is settled', as suggested upthread, is patently wrong. This relationship with the EU is a disaster and will need to be changed. Nothing is settled.
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I get that, also get that a return to the same relationship UK had pre 2016 is impossible (not sure most people do). In the meantime the EU has challenges of its own to overcome
 
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