A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Smokeandsteam]

But it also seemed quite outspoken in its message that Brexit was necessary to "transform" the country in the direction it espoused. That is, not just taking advantage of the dissatisfaction made visible by the Brexit vote, but actually taking some of the real world consequences of Brexit and using them to further those transformative aims. To do stuff that would not be possible, or would be more difficult had Brexit not happened.

I’ve got absolutely no idea what you are getting at here. At no point was LeFT committed to ‘using the real world consequences of Brexit (a sentence that’s not a clever as you think it is by the way). In fact, as was made abundantly clear by the founding signatories, the aims could be summarised as 1. To ensure Brexit took place and was not overturned by anti democratic middle class liberals 2. To organise so that Brexit transforms Britain and moves away from neoliberalism. At the time this meant campaigning for a Corbyn led Labour Government committed to enacting a social democratic post Brexit programme. Following the defeat of Corbyn (in no small measure due to middle class remainers) the focus now is on first principles: work in the unions, workplaces and working class communities, which brings us on to 3. To tap into, give form to and to intervene in working class disaffection and the forms this takes. I’ve already given some examples of work underway.

2) Of course the people that made these claims have no particular duty to demonstrate to me,

On that, we agree completely. We’ve got no duty whatsoever to you or others crying in to their keyboards about the result. They are, at best, an irrelevance. At worst, likely recruits for reaction.

think it's important to be clear though, that positive stuff "emerging out of and by Lexit campaign supporters" is not at all the same thing as positive stuff emerging as a result of the implementation of Brexit.

Even his staunchest supporters would accept that Johnson failed to concretise, let alone deliver, a Tory vision of post Brexit UK. As for Labour the picture is more mixed. Proposed changes to state aid and procurement principles are directly lifted from our demands. However, and as was made crystal clear at the time, it’s the long game or nothing. As the pandemic recedes and as the cost of living crisis deepens the debate about what economic, social and political ideas should guide the UK in a post Brexit world will remain up for grabs.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Full Lexit has never been tried...

Christ….as I said upthread, remain as praxis becomes more damaging by the day.

 

[Ax^]

Do we have a expect time frame for the benefits of leaving to start being felt by the working class of this country?


Just pondering if this thread will go one for another 6 to ten years

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Do we have a expect time frame for the benefits of leaving to start being felt by the working class of this country?


Just pondering if this thread will go one for another 6 to ten years

Get Climate Change sorted first, then the consequences of Brexit.

 

[teuchter]

I’ve got absolutely no idea what you are getting at here. At no point was LeFT committed to ‘using the real world consequences of Brexit (a sentence that’s not a clever as you think it is by the way). In fact, as was made abundantly clear by the founding signatories, the aims could be summarised as 1. To ensure Brexit took place and was not overturned by anti democratic middle class liberals 2. To organise so that Brexit transforms Britain and moves away from neoliberalism. At the time this meant campaigning for a Corbyn led Labour Government committed to enacting a social democratic post Brexit programme. Following the defeat of Corbyn (in no small measure due to middle class remainers) the focus now is on first principles: work in the unions, workplaces and working class communities, which brings us on to 3. To tap into, give form to and to intervene in working class disaffection and the forms this takes. I’ve already given some examples of work underway.

Well, it's aim 2 I'm on about.

You say "organise so that Brexit transforms Britain and moves away from neoliberalism".

Not "organise so that after Brexit Britain is transformed and moves away from neoliberalism".

Don't you agree there's a difference?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Christ….as I said upthread, remain as praxis becomes more damaging by the day.

Damaging to whom?. Do you not see the damage that Leaving has done and continues to do?

 

[editor]

Christ….as I said upthread, remain as praxis becomes more damaging by the day.

I see fucking shit loads of endless damage being caused by Brexit - both personally and elsewhere - so could you elaborate on how "remain as praxis becomes more damaging by the day"?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Damaging to whom?. Do you not see the damage that Leaving has done and continues to do?

Damaging to the perspective of the individuals whose entire worldview has become ridiculously narrowed and warped by the referendum. One of the side effects seems to be the adoption of old right wing tropes used to attempt to dismiss those who point out the inherent flaws of capitalism. Embarrassing.

 

[Yossarian]

Lexit isn't a horse in the current race, it's not even left the stable yet.

Unless Latvia, Lithuania, or Luxembourg head for the door, it's hard to see much future for the term Lexit except maybe as an obscure answer at the most boring quiz night on Earth.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Damaging to the perspective of the individuals whose entire worldview has become ridiculously narrowed and warped by the referendum. One of the side effects seems to be the adoption of old right wing tropes used to attempt to dismiss those who point out the inherent flaws of capitalism. Embarrassing.

Patronising post of the year.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Patronising post of the year.

Unlike yours of course...Chat shit. Get patronised.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

so could you elaborate on how "remain as praxis becomes more damaging by the day"?

See the last 371 pages of this thread. Endless tracts, memes, FBPE nonsense that’s become increasingly deranged and lacking in perspective.

 

[Pickman's model]

See the last 371 pages of this thread. Endless tracts, memes, FBPE nonsense that’s become increasingly deranged and lacking in perspective.

The canonisation of the eu

 

[editor]

See the last 371 pages of this thread. Endless tracts, memes, FBPE nonsense that’s become increasingly deranged and lacking in perspective.

Intellectual musings, forum posts and random memes rarely impact people's livelihoods though, do they? Whereas Brexit is absolutely fucking over many, many people and small businesses.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Unlike yours of course...Chat shit. Get patronised.

Chat shit as opposed to what?. Lexit?

 

[Ax^]

still have no idea how putting the tory party in power for at least the next ten years was a victory for the left

 

[inva]

still have no idea how putting the tory party in power for at least the next ten years was a victory for the left

Absolutely, Labour had shown so much promise in the blissful days of the 2015 general election before Brexit ruined everything.

 

[bimble]

still have no idea how putting the tory party in power for at least the next ten years was a victory for the left

i think, silver linings, its highly likely that they (the tory party, now morphed into a kind of ukip who they had to impersonate because it threatened them) will be absolutely screwed by the fact that they Got Brexit Done, they are responsible for it, the referendum and the brexit we are having.
i suspect that they'll try to not mention it at all come the next GE, like some embarrassing thing we did in our youth and don't like to think about.
Think this is almost certainly the mood inside the party now, and certainly at the Ministry for Brexit Opportunities, where i'd still love to know what a typical work day looks like.

 

[ska invita]

at the Ministry for Brexit Opportunities, where i'd still love to know what a typical work day looks like.

 

[bimble]

I think he has a very sad face when nobody is looking, sad and afraid. What do they do all day though at the Ministry?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Patronising post of the year.

To question Brexit or apportion blame for the current sorry state of affairs and say "what the fuck is this shit?" is to piss on The Working Class and call them big smelly racists.

Even when your not doing that, just calling Boris a rapey clown homunculus.

 

[ska invita]

I think he has a very sad face when nobody is looking, sad and afraid. What do they do all day though at the Ministry?

plan cuts to public/state expenditure i gather

 

[bimble]

To question Brexit or apportion blame for the current sorry state of affairs and say "what the fuck is this shit?" is to piss on The Working Class and call them big smelly racists.

Even when your not doing that, just calling Boris a rapey clown homunculus.

yes. the polite thing to do is not mention brexit ever again.

 

[Artaxerxes]

yes. the polite thing to do is not mention brexit ever again.

Done and dusted like, its over now. Time to move on and never mention it again.

 

[Anju]

Given the genuineness of your query I was tempted to respond by saying 'our work is done here'.

However, the network that came together under the Lexit campaign still exists in a number of forms.

1. The Political Education Project, has provided training for hundreds of working class activists. This directly emerged out of and by Lexit campaign supporters: Political Education Project – Understanding the World in order to change it

2. A number of Groups formed at the time - in Manchester, the north of Ireland, the West Midlands and elsewhere have continued to meet and engage in variety of campaigns in workplaces and communities.

3. Most of the Lexit Network supporters were active in their own unions and organizations before the formation of Lexit and continue to be now. The Network was formed in recognition that it was vital that we leave the EU (and defeat attempts by Remainers to overturn the result). This was achieved. However, we also recognised that we do so on the basis that we seek to transform Britain in the process: a much longer term process and building on the central motivation driving the vote to leave the European Union - working class dissatisfaction with the present.

You'll no doubt be pleased to learn that the network of socialists, trade unionists, community activists and others that comprised the Network remains very much active.

Why do you ask?

So 6 years and you've got a one page website and had some nice chats. Meanwhile opportunities for working class people to work and retire in the EU have been massively reduced and the direction of travel has veered further to the right with more cuts coming for the most vulnerable and no guarantee that EU funding will be replaced.


There's no details of these courses where "hundreds" of activists have been trained. Only an invitation to sign up for the first 10 week course, again with zero details of where, when and what the course involves. The only information on the website is about the, as you would pompously put it "founding signatories".

I can't be certain but I think it was possible to create a website while we were in the EU.

 

[A380]

Any day now... any. day. now...

 

[A380]

still have no idea how putting the tory party in power for at least the next ten years was a victory for the left

That's because you aren't pure enough in your left wing politics to know its always better to have a Tory government than a Labour one, because reasons.

 

[ska invita]

That's because you aren't pure enough in your left wing politics to know its always better to have a Tory government than a Labour one, because reasons.

well done, dont bother engaging with any substance, reduce everything to a lump of oversimplified nonsense
maybe you can do the sarcastic NATO MADE THEM DO IT one too, thats a classic

"because reasosn"

 

[Smokeandsteam]

So 6 years and you've got a one page website and had some nice chats. Meanwhile opportunities for working class people to work and retire in the EU have been massively reduced and the direction of travel has veered further to the right with more cuts coming for the most vulnerable and no guarantee that EU funding will be replaced.


There's no details of these courses where "hundreds" of activists have been trained. Only an invitation to sign up for the first 10 week course, again with zero details of where, when and what the course involves. The only information on the website is about the, as you would pompously put it "founding signatories".

I can't be certain but I think it was possible to create a website while we were in the EU.

So, 6 years and we've trained hundreds of working class people (for many their first taste of activity). Enduring networks have been been built. In fact I've just met some fellow LeFT supporters at the RMT picket. Personally, I've been involved in supporting a number of disputes and campaigns in Birmingham. It. I also spend about 20-25 hours a week doing unpaid union work helping fellow members with grievances and disciplinaries and organizing workers.

What have you done, bar crying into your keyboard that you lost a popular vote?

 

[Tanya1982]

Still waiting for my 'dividend'. Perhaps it got lost in the post.