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A thank you to Brexiteers.

Well, French people have their gas fixed at last years prices & won’t be charged any increase above 4% for their electricity because of the cap they have introduced there. So someone’s got to help their energy companies out.
 
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bimble said:
Well, French people have their gas fixed at last years prices & won’t be charged any increase above 4% for their electricity because of the cap on prices they have introduced there. So someone’s got to help their energy companies out.
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As you say the decision to force millions of people into poverty here is a choice, not something forced on the government or energy companies. After all the massive profits they've made you could be forgiven for thinking they might swallow a year or two of smaller profits to prevent people dying of hypothermia
 
Artaxerxes said:
The mistake is always to assume international capital is a monolith - which is how you end up with lunatic conspiracy theories about The Jews.

Capital is made up of a variety of capitalists out for themselves, mostly it aligns in the pursuit of profit but there were clearly a substantial number of influential capitalists who for various reasons wanted to make more money pursuing Brexit and have done so quite well. Plenty of others stood quietly by and while disproving of it saw no point spending money stopping it, partly because they didn't think it would happen.
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I not sure about that last point. I get the impression that most actual UK capital, (rather than their collective mouthpieces), were reluctant to engage too readily on either side in such a 'hot' political issue for fear of commercial comeback. Added to which they were secure in the knowledge that they had a compliant political wing in power whatever the outcome. As I said above, I don't think that genuinely global capital really gave a hoot about the outcome; they had alternative coping strategies that ensured that their returns were unaffected whatever the outcome of the nationalist desires.
 
brogdale said:
I not sure about that last point. I get the impression that most actual UK capital, (rather than their collective mouthpieces), were reluctant to engage too readily on either side in such a 'hot' political issue for fear of commercial comeback. Added to which they were secure in the knowledge that they had a compliant political wing in power whatever the outcome. As I said above, I don't think that genuinely global capital really gave a hoot about the outcome; they had alternative coping strategies that ensured that their returns were unaffected whatever the outcome of the nationalist desires.
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I think overall there was a very complacent attitude of "of course it won't happen" and a rather strong arrogance that of course Britain would choose the path of least economic harm. While you had a few people putting long punts on it the majority of institutions and political actors around the world were very much in the "you aren't actually going to do this?" camp.

Much as its fun for people to label me a FBPE remainer I understand that brexit is an issue caused by a range of issues, starting with the above and working your way through the gamut of "fuck the state" and ending in "send em back". Its just a fucking disaster run by arseholes like Farage, Mogg and Johnson egged on by Trump, and much as it disgusted me to stand at the ballot box and put a tick in the box belonging to the pork fucker I stand by the decision. The UK is a fucking mess right now and while its easy to point at the rest of the world having similar issues thats not my concern, my concern is that the economy here is in the toilet and I'm stuck with these fucking cretins in charge.

A worry that I had at the time. I didn't want to be trapped here with the Tories but here I am.
 
Artaxerxes said:
I think overall there was a very complacent attitude of "of course it won't happen" and a rather strong arrogance that of course Britain would choose the path of least economic harm. While you had a few people putting long punts on it the majority of institutions and political actors around the world were very much in the "you aren't actually going to do this?" camp.

Much as its fun for people to label me a FBPE remainer I understand that brexit is an issue caused by a range of issues, starting with the above and working your way through the gamut of "fuck the state" and ending in "send em back". Its just a fucking disaster run by arseholes like Farage, Mogg and Johnson egged on by Trump, and much as it disgusted me to stand at the ballot box and put a tick in the box belonging to the pork fucker I stand by the decision. The UK is a fucking mess right now and while its easy to point at the rest of the world having similar issues thats not my concern, my concern is that the economy here is in the toilet and I'm stuck with these fucking cretins in charge.

A worry that I had at the time. I didn't want to be trapped here with the Tories but here I am.
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Pretty much sums my attitude at the time. Not an EU fanboi, but leaving under conditions dictated by the piss-smogg, farage, etc. collective seemed unlikely to improve the life of proles like me.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
We’re still here. But the thread is now little more than postings from ‘hilarious’ FBPE Twitter so there isn’t anything from planet remain to actually engage with. It’s akin to an 80’s band constantly touring and playing their one hit to an increasingly smaller audience

Interested in you final point, which as I understand, posits that ‘international capital’ simultaneously campaigned for remain whilst secretly planning ‘an asset grab’. Sounds like you’ve stumbled upon a conspiracy
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Smokeandsteam said:
We’re still here. But the thread is now little more than postings from ‘hilarious’ FBPE Twitter so there isn’t anything from planet remain to actually engage with. It’s akin to an 80’s band constantly touring and playing their one hit to an increasingly smaller audience

Interested in your final point, which as I understand, posits that ‘international capital’ simultaneously campaigned for remain whilst secretly planning ‘an asset grab’. Sounds like you’ve stumbled upon a conspiracy there…
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It started before the referendum result had even been confirmed old bean.

 
It's been six years we've basically had this ukip-flavoured bunch of lunatics in power banging on about how they are the champions of brexit and still now there's this mad posturing that it's somehow the anti-establishment underdog stance, it is genuinely weird.
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bimble said:
It's been six years we've basically had this ukip-flavoured bunch of lunatics in power banging on about how they are the champions of brexit and still now there's this mad posturing that it's somehow the anti-establishment underdog stance, it is genuinely weird.
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Finally, a candidate prepared to take on the orthodoxy of ... the Brexit status quo that she helped deliver?

Or maybe she means taking on the orthodoxy of non-magical thinking, in which Brexit has utterly failed to do what its supporters from anywhere on the political spectrum claimed it would do - or maybe she's just planning to take on the Russian Orthodox church in a misguided gesture that she thinks will help Ukraine.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
We’re still here. But the thread is now little more than postings from ‘hilarious’ FBPE Twitter so there isn’t anything from planet remain to actually engage with. It’s akin to an 80’s band constantly touring and playing their one hit to an increasingly smaller audience
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Can you tell us what happened to this campaign, which you introduced on the brexit thread at the time?


Do they consider their work is done now, or have they just got bored?
 
This topic reminded me of a story. Some of my friends were voting for the Brexit just for a meme, because they didn't seriously think that there will be more votes for that against.
 
was it this meme :hmm:


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teuchter said:
Can you tell us what happened to this campaign, which you introduced on the brexit thread at the time?


Do they consider their work is done now, or have they just got bored?
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Given the genuineness of your query I was tempted to respond by saying 'our work is done here'.

However, the network that came together under the Lexit campaign still exists in a number of forms.

1. The Political Education Project, has provided training for hundreds of working class activists. This directly emerged out of and by Lexit campaign supporters: Political Education Project – Understanding the World in order to change it

2. A number of Groups formed at the time - in Manchester, the north of Ireland, the West Midlands and elsewhere have continued to meet and engage in variety of campaigns in workplaces and communities.

3. Most of the Lexit Network supporters were active in their own unions and organizations before the formation of Lexit and continue to be now. The Network was formed in recognition that it was vital that we leave the EU (and defeat attempts by Remainers to overturn the result). This was achieved. However, we also recognised that we do so on the basis that we seek to transform Britain in the process: a much longer term process and building on the central motivation driving the vote to leave the European Union - working class dissatisfaction with the present.

You'll no doubt be pleased to learn that the network of socialists, trade unionists, community activists and others that comprised the Network remains very much active.

Why do you ask?
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Given the genuineness of your query I was tempted to respond by saying 'our work is done here'.

However, the network that came together under the Lexit campaign still exists in a number of forms.

1. The Political Education Project, has provided training for hundreds of working class activists. This directly emerged out of and by Lexit campaign supporters: Political Education Project – Understanding the World in order to change it

2. A number of Groups formed at the time - in Manchester, the north of Ireland, the West Midlands and elsewhere have continued to meet and engage in variety of campaigns in workplaces and communities.

3. Most of the Lexit Network supporters were active in their own unions and organizations before the formation of Lexit and continue to be now. The Network was formed in recognition that it was vital that we leave the EU (and defeat attempts by Remainers to overturn the result). This was achieved. However, we also recognised that we do so on the basis that we seek to transform Britain in the process: a much longer term process and building on the central motivation driving the vote to leave the European Union - working class dissatisfaction with the present.

You'll no doubt be pleased to learn that the network of socialists, trade unionists, community activists and others that comprised the Network remains very much active.

Why do you ask?
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Well, I recognise that if the central aim was to make sure "leave" happened, then that was achieved, and perhaps therefore the work is indeed done and there's no need for any entity to continue under that "LeFT" banner.

But it also seemed quite outspoken in its message that Brexit was necessary to "transform" the country in the direction it espoused. That is, not just taking advantage of the dissatisfaction made visible by the Brexit vote, but actually taking some of the real world consequences of Brexit and using them to further those transformative aims. To do stuff that would not be possible, or would be more difficult had Brexit not happened.

Of course the people that made these claims have no particular duty to demonstrate to me, or others sceptical about them, that there are, now, positive things actually happening as a result of Brexit having been implemented. But if they wanted to, then the "LeFT" banner would be under which they could do so.

I don't doubt that people involved with that campaign are doing, and continuing to do useful stuff. I do however doubt a bit that they are doing stuff that is happening and useful because of Brexit having been implemented, because I'm not really aware of any evidence anywhere of this. Like I say, if it's happening and they aren't interested in bringing it to the attention of people like me then that's their call.

I think it's important to be clear though, that positive stuff "emerging out of and by Lexit campaign supporters" is not at all the same thing as positive stuff emerging as a result of the implementation of Brexit.
 
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