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A thank you to Brexiteers.

Pickman's model said:
i thought that as someone who claims to have given a spot of thought to ireland and brexit you'd actually know something of the subject and be able to rattle off a list of what the europeans had ever done for that island. instead you come up with two things which are tangential to the situation in ireland during the troubles, and don't er trouble yourself to look any further back than 1993. if there was ever a time to start to dilute divisions in ireland, i'd have thought that time was at some point between 1969 and 1994 when the ira ceasefire was announced. surely, i felt, you'd have put some small effort into finding out how brussels - be it brussels with a common market, a european economic community or european union hat on - had done for ireland (32 cos). instead you come out with some tosh about the single market and erasmus, the first of which didn't really affect the crossing of the border for some years as security checkpoints only began to be removed following the gfa, the second of which can't be measured in terms of where people from the six counties went to study - though if you've had any better luck than i in finding that information i hope you'll share it.

i thought that at the very least you'd have looked for a website like this Ireland's EU membership | Ireland European Commission, this article CAIN: Issues: Europe: The European Union and Relationships Within Ireland by Jeson Ingraham or this StackPath. i thought that you might even have mentioned this book Ireland and the European Union or this one The European Union and the Northern Ireland Peace Process. they say an empty vessel makes the loudest noise, and on this subject you've definitely been a far emptier vessel than i expected.
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Yeah whatever.
I am not going to dance to your tune.
Put simply I believe that the ROI and the UK both being in the EU diluted some problems.
You don’t think it was enough, or significant.
We will find out a bit more today whether leave has increased some problems.
As for making the most noise, that is quite funny coming from a poster who seems to be here continually and commenting on nearly every thread. I for one have already got your repeated messages about ways Boris Johnson could die, don’t you think that line taken by you could be freshened up, not in order to make more noise, but to be less boring?
 
philosophical said:
Yeah whatever.
I am not going to dance to your tune.
Put simply I believe that the ROI and the UK both being in the EU diluted some problems.
You don’t think it was enough, or significant.
We will find out a bit more today whether leave has increased some problems.
As for making the most noise, that is quite funny coming from a poster who seems to be here continually and commenting on nearly every thread. I for one have already got your repeated messages about ways Boris Johnson could die, don’t you think that line taken by you could be freshened up, not in order to make more noise, but to be less boring?
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i don't think you're going to dance at all, certainly you've shown no agility over the past few years - simply repeating the same auld line, which is far duller than anything i've inflicted on these boards. if you think commenting on a range of subjects is a bad thing then i don't know why you bother posting here.
 
philosophical said:
Put simply I believe that the ROI and the UK both being in the EU diluted some problems.
You don’t think it was enough, or significant.
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that's a complete misrepresentation of the posts above, i've said that from what you've said it was neither enough or significant. i made no comment on whether i thought what the eu had in fact done was enough or significant.
 
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contadino said:
www.theguardian.com

Arron Banks loses libel action against reporter Carole Cadwalladr

Judge rules Guardian journalist successfully established public interest defence under Defamation Act
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

So Aaron Banks was lying about having no replationship with the Russian state.
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Not sure from the article, could I think have alternatively been a public interest in publishing the information. I didn't think he'd lose tbh, the judge made an initial ruling that seemed to make it very difficult for her.

Eta: let's hope the legal costs were nice and exorbitant :thumbs:
 
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contadino said:
www.theguardian.com

Arron Banks loses libel action against reporter Carole Cadwalladr

Judge rules Guardian journalist successfully established public interest defence under Defamation Act
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

So Aaron Banks was lying about having no replationship with the Russian state.
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Not necessarily because she didn't rely on a defence of truth but on a public interest defence. The judge also seems to have found that she couldn't justify her statements on public interest grounds after the later report from the electoral commission, but by that point any damage to his reputation was done so continuing to publish the TED talk wasn't defamatory.
 
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In a written judgment handed down on Monday, Mrs Justice Steyn ruled the threshold for serious harm had only been met in the Ted Talk but that Cadwalladr initially had successfully established a public interest defence under section 4 of the Defamation Act.

The defence fell away after the Electoral Commission found no evidence of law-breaking by Banks with respect to donations but by that time – 29 April 2020 – the court was not satisfied that the continuing publication of the TED Talk caused or was likely to cause serious harm to his reputation.

Dismissing the claim by Banks, the judge said: “A key factor, in my judgment, is whether Ms Cadwalladr had reasonable grounds to believe that her intended meaning was true … I consider that when she gave the Ted Talk, she did.”

Cadwalladr had suffered a blow to her case at a preliminary hearing in 2019, when Mr Justice Saini concluded an average listener would have understood the meaning of the remark about Banks made by the journalist at the Ted technology conference – and in the related tweet – to be: “On more than one occasion Mr Banks told untruths about a secret relationship he had with the Russian government in relation to acceptance of foreign funding of electoral campaigns in breach of the law on such funding.”
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That last sentence was the one that made me think he'd win. But apparently not :).

www.theguardian.com

Arron Banks loses libel action against reporter Carole Cadwalladr

Judge rules Guardian journalist successfully established public interest defence under Defamation Act
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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Maybe there’ll be a growing list of this sort of utterly pointless differentiation, to go with our plugs and driving on the wrong side of the road and all that, just to make us feel special.

But the non-funny stuff is the bit where today the gov released their post brexit food strategy which says they want ‘liberalisation’ of animal welfare standards for imports in their free trade agreements, which just means lower ones.
 
breaking international law of North Ireland to secure support from hard line brexiters in the Tory party and the DUP

whilst showing that no deal with the UK can be trusted

*slow hand clap

:facepalm:
 
bimble said:
Maybe there’ll be a growing list of this sort of utterly pointless differentiation, to go with our plugs and driving on the wrong side of the road and all that, just to make us feel special.
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UK plugs are safer than ones without an earth and keeping oncoming traffic on the right hand side of you a standard globally for millenias b4 Napoleon but other than that... Good point
 
Ax^ said:
breaking international law of North Ireland to secure support from hard line brexiters in the Tory party and the DUP

whilst showing that no deal with the UK can be trusted

*slow hand clap

:facepalm:
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I heard that it is just a trivial adjustment...this was from the person who assured me that there were no lock down parties at his home...so it's more than likely all good.

Anyway here's to a united Ireland an independent Scotland and the English having to grow up a bit.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
gosub said:
UK plugs are safer than ones without an earth and keeping oncoming traffic on the right hand side of you a standard globally for millenias b4 Napoleon but other than that... Good point
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Is that true?
I never thought about it but mostly they’re not earthed are they ? Just read that the reason we have those big chunky plugs is because of a post war copper shortage :hmm:
 
gosub said:
UK plugs are safer than ones without an earth and keeping oncoming traffic on the right hand side of you a standard globally for millenias b4 Napoleon but other than that... Good point
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Although there are continental plugs with an earth.
 
Most people right handed passing on the side of sword arm was convention.


Plus the additional cover guard over the L & N the longer earth pushes out the way
 
I would really love to get a fly on wall view of what’s going on in the Ministry For Brexit Opportunities. What are they doing in there haven’t heard anything since the idea about hoovers.
 
bimble said:
Maybe there’ll be a growing list of this sort of utterly pointless differentiation, to go with our plugs and driving on the wrong side of the road and all that, just to make us feel special.

But the non-funny stuff is the bit where today the gov released their post brexit food strategy which says they want ‘liberalisation’ of animal welfare standards for imports in their free trade agreements, which just means lower ones.
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I am in no way a British nationalist. But our theee pin plugs (shared with Ireland, Hong Kong and parts of China) are definitely the best in the world.
 
Louis MacNeice said:
I heard that it is just a trivial adjustment...this was from the person who assured me that there were no lock down parties at his home...so it's more than likely all good.

Anyway here's to a united Ireland an independent Scotland and the English having to grow up a bit.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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It’s the Welsh I feel sorry for. Locked in here with us…
 
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