A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Spymaster]

Hmm. You've missed your tack here spy

Great minds Herr Model

 

[srb7677]

And the non-racists who voted to leave fucked it for the remainers.

This is a stunning piece of analysis you’ve got going on here.

All the racists who voted for Leave won it for Leavers.

The evidence of which is overwhelming.

Try and twist it into something else as much as you like.

 

[Spymaster]

All the racists who voted for Leave won it for Leavers.

I reckon it was the bricklayers.

If every bricklayer who voted to leave had voted to remain, things would be different now, I can tell ya!

 

[teqniq]

They were hardly going to vote for anything else were they?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

They were hardly going to vote for anything else were they?

What way did Cameron and May vote?

 

[The39thStep]

I reckon it was the bricklayers.

If every bricklayer who voted to leave had voted to remain, things would be different now, I can tell ya!

How did the cyclist vote breakdown?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

How did the cyclist vote breakdown?

The recumbent vote swung it.

 

[two sheds]

Perhaps you have it the wrong way round and it's the non-racists who swung it.

This is I think a point you need to respond to srb7677

 

[teuchter]

Non-racists were of course free to vote for Brexit too. But they ought to have sufficient integrity and honesty to ackowledge that they needed the backing of the racists too, without whom they would have lost.

Once they've "acknowledged" this, then what?

 

[Ax^]

Over 1/4 million people - from all over the world and in the middle of a pandemic - came in the UK last year. The idea that only exploited labour from the EU could be attracted here is another remain fantasy that has no substance in fact

ah so leave the EU has no stop the exploration of foreign cheap labour


so leaving the EU was a complete and utter waste of time

 

[krtek a houby]

Straw man time again is it?

I never said that as you of course know. Non racists as well as racists voted for Brexit. But there were not enough of the former to win it on their own. The racist vote made the difference.

By how much?

 

[teqniq]

What way did Cameron and May vote?

Perhaps i should have worded it 'the vast majority of the populace who could be considered racists were hardly going to vote any other way'. But as for Cameron and May - the latter was certainly responsible for the roving billboard ads and the 'hostile environment' does that make her racist? Possibly and yet she would almost certainly have voted remain. As for Cameron tbh i have no certain idea off the top of my head but of one thing I am certain is that politicians will very often pursue policies and do or say things that are calculated to curry favour with their current perception of the public mood.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

ah so leave the EU has no stop the exploration of foreign cheap labour


so leaving the EU was a complete and utter waste of time

The propulsive force - for working class voters - for leaving the EU was to deliver a metaphorical kick in the bollocks to the political class. For those involved in pro working class politics, a second motivator for the vote was the opportunity to break with neo-liberal economic orthodoxy: which was and is the underpinning and fundamental reason for the existence of the EU project.

So leaving the EU was very much a good use of time….

 

[Ax^]

kick in the ballocks for the party at campaigned for the leave vote for 30 years
and even with a fuck wit like boris johnson in the top job will likely been in power for the next 10 years

with we gave you brexit being brought up in every election till we all die


soild win for the working man

 

[Smokeandsteam]

kick in the ballocks for the party at campaigned for the leave vote for 30 years
and even with a fuck wit like boris johnson in the top job will likely been in power for the next 10 years

with we gave you brexit being brought up in every election till we all die


soild win for the working man

The Conservative party leadership campaigned for remain. Cameron, Osborne and then May were all remainers. The Labour Party, Liberals, Greens, SNP also campaigned for remain.

Even if they had all been leavers the simple fact is that the EU economic project - and it was this that voters were asked to decide on - was and is inherently counter to the interests of workers in the UK (and the rest of the Europe for that matter).

 

[Ax^]

the leader ship at the time of the conservative party campaigned to remain

not the whole party

 

[Smokeandsteam]

the leader ship at the time of the conservative party campaigned to remain

not the whole party

That’s exactly what I wrote.

And as for your second point, the emergence of Boris Johnson, two points will suffice:

1. The 2019 election result - had Labour gone into it promising to respect the referendum result, and not pandered to middle class liberal remainers demanding another vote - would have been very different.
2. Johnson is a lifelong remainer too, right up until he opportunistically saw a path to power via backing leave. (Corbyn and McDonnell, tragically, took the opposite journey). I’ll leave you to decide what it says about remain politics when a fuckwit like Johnson is a fellow traveller.

 

[andysays]

Well, nearly 6 years in and the arguments are exactly the same, so it’s clearly been a success

 

[teuchter]

For those involved in pro working class politics, a second motivator for the vote was the opportunity to break with neo-liberal economic orthodoxy

Assuming you still think this opportunity really existed, who was it that was supposed to take advantage of it and why have they failed?

 

[philosophical]

You claimed that both UK and 26 cos in EU diluted division -> gfa. But without the people I mentioned no gfa. No reduction in division, insofar as there has been such a reduction tho the way the uup have been relegated and the dup become the largest unionist party doesn't to me suggest a reduction in division.

Whatever,
The land border in Ireland has become more of a problem than it was because of the vote to leave.

 

[Pickman's model]

Whatever,
The land border in Ireland has become more of a problem than it was because of the vote to leave.

Yeh I didn't think you'd back up your dissolving division bit

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Whatever,
The land border in Ireland has become more of a problem than it was because of the vote to leave.

 

[philosophical]

Yeh I didn't think you'd back up your dissolving division bit

I don’t have to because I wrote diluting division.
If you want to show off then get your facts right.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

What way did Cameron and May vote?

As for Cameron tbh i have no certain idea off the top of my head but of one thing I am certain is that politicians will very often pursue policies and do or say things that are calculated to curry favour with their current perception of the public mood.

The prime minister who quit cos the vote went leave, I think the pig fucking Etonian dicksplash may have been a remain racist. Just a hunch.

 

[ska invita]

Ten thousand five hundred and eighty two posts are we nearly there yet.

Slow start but exciting work is occurring at the Office of Brexit Opportunities and Government Efficiencies .... Any moment now...

 

[Pickman's model]

I don’t have to because I wrote diluting division.
If you want to show off then get your facts right.

Strangely you said nothing to support your bit about diluting division in your response to this post:

You claimed that both UK and 26 cos in EU diluted division -> gfa. But without the people I mentioned no gfa. No reduction in division, insofar as there has been such a reduction tho the way the uup have been relegated and the dup become the largest unionist party doesn't to me suggest a reduction in division.

I'm asking you now to substantiate your diluting division claim. If you don't have to back stuff up when someone puts the wrong word in their post I suppose you have to , by your own code of honour, when they ask you directly using the words you did

 

[Pickman's model]

philosophical there are but two references to the EU in Tim pat coogan's the troubles, neither of which are about the EU doing anything about division. So where are you getting your info on the EU from? Or are you just making it up?

 

[philosophical]

Both the ROI and the UK being in the same system, following the same rules by the introduction of the single market in 1993, made it easier in some areas of life on the island for people to get along better because it got rid of any customs controls. Hence some reasons for folk on the island to complain they are divided were lessened, hence diluted.
The single market was an EU thing.
When do you think customs controls between the north and the south were fully abolished, and did the EU have anything to do with that?

 

[Pickman's model]

Both the ROI and the UK being in the same system, following the same rules by the introduction of the single market in 1993, made it easier in some areas of life on the island for people to get along better because it got rid of any customs controls. Hence some reasons for folk on the island to complain they are divided were lessened, hence diluted.
The single market was an EU thing.
When do you think customs controls between the north and the south were fully abolished, and did the EU have anything to do with that?

Yes but what's your actual evidence for division being diluted on anything more than a bureaucratic level?

 

[philosophical]

This is more than a bureaucratic level thing, it is a practical level thing.
It stopped existing after 1993.