andysays
Love and solidarity
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A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
That’s a fucker, they were great for kids clothes (mainly on the web in this country I think) and assorted tat. Don’t think they ever made it out of London though.
Johnny Doe
Well-Known Member
Same in a different boozer after football training last night, no Morreti. My mates who owns quite a few pubs was with us says he's having the same issue, as there aren't drivers to deliver it. Moretti showing up as the first shortage because it's had a surge in popularity.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
A lot of travelling folk (traditional and "new age") used to support themselves by travelling around the place going from one seasonal picking job to the next. Trouble is, successive govts since the 80s have legislated that way of life into practical non-existence.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Aye, travellers to.
Used to be an urban poor thing as well, families surging out of the cities to pick hops or something to make bit of extra cash.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Speaking as someone who has picked, yes to both of the above points; fruit farmers have always relied on exploiting various reserve armies of un/under-employed labour. Certainly down in Kent, the migrations of urban poor (which pretty much explains why our school 'summer' holidays include all of August into the start of September) which started in the 19th with the possibility of travel, had largely stopped by the 1960s because of capital intensification/machine 'picking' of hops.
These people had always supplemented the reserve army of local, rural & small towns women ("housewives") who needed to enhance the meagre earnings of the men-folk with seasonal work, often including the kiddies.
My experience of seasonal work in the 1970s and 1980s showed that it was the women workers and students/older school-kids and some travellers that made up the bulk of the complaint workforce. I remember one afternoon, on strawberries, when our piece rate was unilaterally dropped mid shift.
After that period it became more apparent that the farmers were starting to put more and more caravans on their own farms and employing workers from further afield/overseas. The attraction to the unscrupulous farmers of £2 to £3 per hour wages justified on the 'costs of board/lodgings' etc. was eventually just too great and they employed fewer and fewer from their former local reserve armies.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Your mate ‘who owns a few pubs’ should have told you the reason that there is no overpriced lager is because the workers who deliver it are engaged in industrial action. The workers are Unite members and work for GXO Logistics Drinks. They deliver about 40% of the beer to pubs and have rejected a pay offer of 1.4%.
Update: Good news for fans of pissy overpriced lager. The strikes have been suspended following an improved offer of 4%. Up the workers!!
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Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
Why should Remainers have to provide solutions to problems we didn't create?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You don’t have to. You can just moan and grumble about the ‘good old days’ if you prefer. Smother yourselves in the warm blanket of nostalgia whilst resting after searching Twitter for photos of empty sandwich shelves
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Harking back to some mythical 'good old days' is hardly the exclusive preserve of those favouring UK membership of the supra state, is it now?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
No, not at all. But there is rich irony in their portrayal of brexiteers as ‘gammons’ living in the past given the class base and demographic of remain and it’s preoccupation with an imagined past it claims has been lost due to Brexit isn’t there?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Appropriate though, as the notion that either outcome would materially improve conditions for the working class was always mythical.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Because you already have a solution to all the brexit ills
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Interesting bit on R4's more or less just now about pre-brexit shortages of hgv drivers - 50,000 in 2015 apparently. BBC Radio 4 - More or Less if you wait a few mins you should be able to download it
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Can it really be true that the ills of neoliberal, financialised capital existed before the Big B...and er....still exist, despite the glorious day of liberation?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The Brexit vote, in working class areas, was never ime perceived as a vote ‘to improve the conditions’ of those living in them. It was, and still is, rightly seen as a kick in the bollocks for the establishment. Like Alan Sillitoe’s long distance runner ‘he got nothing for himself except the satisfaction that they hadn’t won either’.
Many Brexit voters had long twigged that voting for any party was essentially a vote for an attack on themselves, their lives and their communities. In response they gave up voting. But in a referendum they knew their votes would add up. People who hadn’t voted for years joined the queue to cast their vote.
Remain was and is perceived as a flaccid pro-establishment rump.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not what the 'Lexit' faithful were saying.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You'll need to do better than that. The Brexit vote and the subsequent Lexit campaign are entirely separate things. The former was organic, bottom up and one of the most punishing blows to a section of the ruling/narrating class in living memory. The latter was work by some on the left to produce a set of ideas and demands that synthesised those impulses and attempted to take advantage of the loss of shackles from the neo-liberal surpa state. And guess what - as wages rise, labour becomes more valuable and as the Labour Party begin to adopt large chunks of that work - loads of it was bang on the money…
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That the "Brexit vote" was an "organic, bottom up" phenomenon is, I'm afraid, one of the most ludicrous things I've seen written about Brexit on here.
I was born 12 years before the UK state's accession to the EEC and that same year saw the founding of the first, formal right-wing Conservative pressure group to lobby against UK membership and they've always been there since then.
bimble
floofy
Not sure how useful that punishing blow was, given that that this man was able to pass himself off as the champion of the revolution.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Good, its our turn now after all. The pro-Brexit crowd have had 50 years of doing that so its about time we had a go.
ruffneck23
front left
Beer shortages at Wetherspoons after Brexit and Covid hit supply chains
Pints of Carling and Coors are unavailable in some branches, with the problem due to a lack of lorry drivers.
metro.co.uk
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Smothering (interesting choice of word) oneself in a "warm blanket of nostalgia" isn't at all what Brexiteers did, right?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
That the "Brexit vote" was an "organic, bottom up" phenomenon is, I'm afraid, one of the most ludicrous things I've seen written about Brexit on here.
Don't be afraid. Write more on how this nexus between 'formal' conservative pressure groups and deindustrialised areas took shape, quote the empirical research, set the Remain stall out
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
There was nothing remotely "bottom up" about the Brexit campaign. Nothing. It was run by bourgeois moneyed types like Banks, Farage, Rees Mogg et al.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Everyone eventually becomes what they once railed against sort of thing? Interesting....
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Agree. Both formal campaigns were the preserve of the elites. But who was talking about that?
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