A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I like how fosters is added as a separate category to beer
Mantel and Boyd warn of book industry collapse in post-Brexit threat
Exclusive: Former poet laureate Carol Ann Duffy said prospect of new rules makes her ‘blood run cold’
www.independent.co.uk
bimble
floofy
"For those who have nothing to fear from open borders, labour shortages are evidence Brexit is flawed. For those not so fortunate, it is doing what it was supposed to do."Superb stuff from Larry Elliot on the respective class dynamics behind the debate on ‘the Brexit food crisis’:
So what’s so wrong with labour shortages driving up low wages? | Larry Elliott
For those who are part of Britain’s casualised workforce Brexit isn’t flawed – quite the oppositewww.theguardian.com
So simplistic! If you are seeing wages go up in your particular sector, like if you're a lorry driver or interested in working in food processing or whatever, then of course yes you'd be happy about those wages going up. But the idea that half the people in the country when looking at the wider effects of the labour shortage - the empty shelves & rotting veg & the dire warnings about pigs in blankets etc - think brilliant yes this is exactly what i wanted to happen, that's got to be absolute bollocks.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Not any more, you need something harder in brexit Britain
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Shit just got serious.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
We have no beer, so no one is using the urinals, ergo no Fosters.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
with the brexit diet the pounds will never stop rolling off.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Intermarche have houmous as well but I occasionally make my own.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Don't particularly like this Churchill project but the point about a government strategy is correct rather than simply leaving it up to the market to resolve.
This in Lidl is not a joke.
It's a jar of chickpeas and a tiny packet of spices. Lidl in Spain also has houmous ready-made
What Lidl doesn't have anymore in Spain is Cheddar, Not Irish either so perhaps nothing to do with Brexit
It's a jar of chickpeas and a tiny packet of spices. Lidl in Spain also has houmous ready-made
What Lidl doesn't have anymore in Spain is Cheddar, Not Irish either so perhaps nothing to do with Brexit
bimble
floofy
This is fine, only middle class tossers have school lunches.
www.thegrocer.co.uk
Schools told to prepare for food shortages
Wholesalers are warning schools of the need to 'stock up' as the HGV driver crisis intensifies
www.thegrocer.co.uk
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
As the Elliot piece suggests the Government seems to be of the view that employers will need to resolve the problem themselves: by paying higher wages. There 1M job vacancies and millions of people who need a well paying job.
Leaving aside those who once professed to be in favour of a high wage economy but have degenerated into a position which is essentially indivisible from that adopted by the captains of industry most people IRL don't seem exercised by 'food shortages' and recognise that the issue is entirely one of capitals making: which has been too slow to see the cheap labour tap being turned off generally and their vapid approach exposed by the pandemic.
What the Government should be doing is recreating Wages Boards made up of workers, bosses and Government and funding regional labour planning task forces. That is what Labour should now be campaigning on.
bimble
floofy
Just raise wages and the whole problem goes away doesn't seem to me to make sense.
Even if the wages for say vegetable picking were £50 an hour i don't see how you'd get enough UK based people who were able to move away from home to do the work for a few weeks then move back again, unless maybe the whole benefits system had a revolution too. Maybe that will happen next.
Even if the wages for say vegetable picking were £50 an hour i don't see how you'd get enough UK based people who were able to move away from home to do the work for a few weeks then move back again, unless maybe the whole benefits system had a revolution too. Maybe that will happen next.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Here are 5 simple steps that could be taken and which anyone with even a casual relationship with economic justice should support:
1. A new Agriculture Wages and Labour Board which is made up equally of worker representatives, bosses and Government. This would set minimum wage levels, terms and conditions, pensions etc.
2. Underpinning this would be local tripartite planning groups who would set rates for the particular conditions for the local economy.
3. Both bodies would draw up plans for seasonal work and be tasked with planning sustainable labour levels throughout the year. This should include new apprenticeships with guaranteed jobs at union rates at the end of it.
4. These bodies would be set an annual target for growth of output each year
5. A Skills strategy would identify foreseeable shortages over the long and medium term and plan to fix this
If there is still a residual need for more labour this should be addressed by planned inward migration with workers covered by the same terms as above, invited to join the union on day one and supported to find housing etc.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'll stop you at 1. made up equally of worker representatives, bosses and government? that's not really equal is it.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
No, and we could easily critique the corporatist model in many other ways too particularly in terms of its inherent limitations on collective bargaining scope and the limits on genuine workers control, but even adopting 1. would be a significant step forward from the model adopted in the sector for years. It's long been a sector reliant on exploited migrant/youth labour precisely because agriculture has always presented itself in exceptionalist terms and because it claims it can regulate itself.
bimble
floofy
This sounds nice but i still don't see how it could lead to a positive answer to my question, which is would the issue be resolved even if seasonal vegetable picking was paid at £50 an hour .
'“Of the 80,000-seasonal workforce in horticulture alone, 98% are migrants from elsewhere in the EU..”
(from here , a few years old, chapter 6).
i just think we need to be a bit more honest and admit that big bits of uk food production are just going to stop existing now.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Many apologies, I had misunderstood your question as a serious one.
To answer your actual question. £50x40x52 = a salary of £100,000 per year
I suspect this would fix the labour supply issue given average earnings are a quarter of that
bimble
floofy
No. It’s one months work maybe 6 weeks.Many apologies, I had misunderstood your question as a serious one.
To answer your actual question. £50x40x52 = a salary of £100,000 per year
I suspect this would fix the labour supply issue given average earnings are a quarter of that
That’s the whole problem.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You could work part time and still earn double the average wage. Go and have a lie down.
bimble
floofy
You’re not getting it. Or you really do think that, if it was just paid well enough, the UK would somehow be able to provide its own seasonal workers to sustain current levels of domestic food production.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
What's the chances of any of those happening?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I refer you to my previous answer Bimble….the answer is that we could if we introduced proper planning and T&C’s
ska invita
back on the other side
No idea what this is about beyond what it says here - i do know margins in publishing have been squeezed to an inch of their lives a long tiem ago
Changes to current copyright laws could put up to 64% of publisher book revenue at risk, according to research by the Publishers Association (PA).
The PA says a post-Brexit move towards an international exhaustion regime being consulted on by the Intellectual Property Office (IPO) would “spell disaster” for the UK industry with a projected loss of up to £2.2bn per year. It warns many small and medium sized businesses would be unlikely to survive and widespread job losses would be “inevitable”.
Authors and illustrators would also be hit, with up to £506m per year of their incomes at risk, making those professions unattainable for many, the PA says. There would also be a knock on effect for other creative industries, while big retail chains could reap the benefits, to the disadvantage of UK high street stores.
The warning comes as an IPO consultation on a change to the UK intellectual property framework, with international exhaustion as one of the proposed outcomes, concludes today.
Last week, organisations behind the Save Our Books campaign, including the PA, gave a last push for people to have their say on the changes, which would allow cheaper imported books to potentially flood the UK market. The consultation closes today (31st August) at 11.45 p.m.
Stephen Lotinga, chief executive of the Publishers Association, said: “These figures are deeply alarming. If the government decides to change our copyright laws, then it could be devastating for the UK’s book industry.
“This country is fortunate to have many of the world’s greatest literary talents producing books that entertain and inform readers across the globe. These measures would inevitably mean fewer books, produced by fewer authors, for fewer readers. We are urging the government to make the right choice and Save Our Books.”
The research came via a PA survey of members carried out in July, which included responses from from nine of the UK's top 10 consumer publishers. A mix of trade, academic and education publishers took part, equating to around 60% of the UK book market.
Booker winner Hilary Mantel has also thrown her weight behind the campaign, saying: “Along with my fellow authors, I am deeply concerned by the threat of a weakening of our present copyright and intellectual property regime. Most writers live and earn precariously, even with the protections now in place. During the last year or so, many have found themselves embattled, as pandemic restrictions have stripped away their ancillary sources of income. Their original creative work, however humbly rewarded, underlies a major industry and feeds our cultural life as a nation. This is not the time to strip away protection to their livelihood.
“Adoption of a regime of international exhaustion is likely to trigger a chain of unintended consequences. The loss of revenue will make publishers more risk-averse and close down access for new work. That will cramp the innovation that feeds our film and TV industries. It will hurt retailing and further concentrate profit for a few online players. The selling and making of books and the protection of the rights that underlie the trade is a delicate and complex business, but it is a very precious one, important for our standing as a nation.
“I would urge those involved in the consultation to move with great caution and listen to the advice of those who care not just about their own future but about the future of all our writers and readers.”
Changes to current copyright laws could put up to 64% of publisher book revenue at risk, according to research by the Publishers Association (PA).
The PA says a post-Brexit move towards an international exhaustion regime being consulted on by the Intellectual Property Office (IPO) would “spell disaster” for the UK industry with a projected loss of up to £2.2bn per year. It warns many small and medium sized businesses would be unlikely to survive and widespread job losses would be “inevitable”.
Authors and illustrators would also be hit, with up to £506m per year of their incomes at risk, making those professions unattainable for many, the PA says. There would also be a knock on effect for other creative industries, while big retail chains could reap the benefits, to the disadvantage of UK high street stores.
The warning comes as an IPO consultation on a change to the UK intellectual property framework, with international exhaustion as one of the proposed outcomes, concludes today.
Last week, organisations behind the Save Our Books campaign, including the PA, gave a last push for people to have their say on the changes, which would allow cheaper imported books to potentially flood the UK market. The consultation closes today (31st August) at 11.45 p.m.
Stephen Lotinga, chief executive of the Publishers Association, said: “These figures are deeply alarming. If the government decides to change our copyright laws, then it could be devastating for the UK’s book industry.
“This country is fortunate to have many of the world’s greatest literary talents producing books that entertain and inform readers across the globe. These measures would inevitably mean fewer books, produced by fewer authors, for fewer readers. We are urging the government to make the right choice and Save Our Books.”
The research came via a PA survey of members carried out in July, which included responses from from nine of the UK's top 10 consumer publishers. A mix of trade, academic and education publishers took part, equating to around 60% of the UK book market.
Booker winner Hilary Mantel has also thrown her weight behind the campaign, saying: “Along with my fellow authors, I am deeply concerned by the threat of a weakening of our present copyright and intellectual property regime. Most writers live and earn precariously, even with the protections now in place. During the last year or so, many have found themselves embattled, as pandemic restrictions have stripped away their ancillary sources of income. Their original creative work, however humbly rewarded, underlies a major industry and feeds our cultural life as a nation. This is not the time to strip away protection to their livelihood.
“Adoption of a regime of international exhaustion is likely to trigger a chain of unintended consequences. The loss of revenue will make publishers more risk-averse and close down access for new work. That will cramp the innovation that feeds our film and TV industries. It will hurt retailing and further concentrate profit for a few online players. The selling and making of books and the protection of the rights that underlie the trade is a delicate and complex business, but it is a very precious one, important for our standing as a nation.
“I would urge those involved in the consultation to move with great caution and listen to the advice of those who care not just about their own future but about the future of all our writers and readers.”
bimble
floofy
i think you're operating on some cosmic level of optimism tbh.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Where are you getting this figure of one month/six weeks from? (apologies if the source has been quoted and I've missed it)
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