A thank you to Brexiteers.

[philosophical]

It is amusing that the piece above talks about ‘both sides’ being damaged.
The UK trades 43% with the EU, and the EU around 12%. By my reckoning there is no both sides equivalence there, the EU can absorb the crap Brexit voters called on much more easily than the UK.
No reality will impact on the cunt brexiteers who think their vote was a good thing, the depth of xenophobia deep in the UK is cemented in.
As far as I can tell there is no rapprochement between leavers and remainers, no ‘benefit’ of Brexit beyond legitimising anti ‘foreigner’ feeling, no step forward for those of the left, nothing worthwhile whatsoever.
In my view everybody who voted Brexit is a cunt no matter how much desperate equivocation they try to bring to bear on it.

 

[The39thStep]

Labour Party Conference coming up , wonder if there will be a motion or a fringe meeting on rejoining the EU?

 

[platinumsage]

No worries. I had a search about and could find no shortages anywhere else. Same for other countries 'supply issues' or 'high demand' or massive nurse shortages or a lot of other stuff.

A BBC article this morning.

Frankly there are so many types of tube that blood can be put in, there’s nothing special about them, so I don’t see this as anything other than a problem with NHS procurement. If BD don’t have enough of the normal tubes, use some different tubes ffs, maybe even from a different company. There are probably contractural issues and stuff. Certainly nothing to do with Brexit.

 

[Badgers]

Certainly nothing to do with Brexit.

Nothing is eh? Sunlit Uplands are in plain sight

 

[Supine]

A BBC article this morning.

Frankly there are so many types of tube that blood can be put in, there’s nothing special about them, so I don’t see this as anything other than a problem with NHS procurement. If BD don’t have enough of the normal tubes, use some different tubes ffs, maybe even from a different company. There are probably contractural issues and stuff. Certainly nothing to do with Brexit.

That article specifically mentions problems with shipments at borders as a factor.

Looks like the main issue is global glass supply though:

https://www.ismworld.org/supply-management-news-and-reports/news-publications/inside-supply-management-magazine/blog/2020-09/when-bottles-as-in-medical-vials-become-the-bottleneck/

 

[Badgers]

Been following this chaps blog for a while. Here is the latest which is a good read.

Post-Brexit Britain can't be realistic until it's truthful

<a rel="me" href="https://mastodon.online/@ChrisGrey">Mastodon</a>

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com

 

[UKSmartyPants]

You taking piss or serious? Brexit had no influence on the UK's vaccine procurement. None.

Doh ofc it did. If we had been in the Eu we'd have had to stand in the queue with the other 28 members and waited and waited and waited and waited while Von Leyden and her band of EU hobgoblins made a complete hash of negotiating with the Pharmas, resulting in most of the Eu being two to three months behind the UK on their vaccine rollouts, not withstanding several Eu members states gave up on the Eu eventually and started their own procurement processes. And we won't even go into the excess deaths caused by Von Leydens absurd narcissist and racist political posturing and attacks on AZ, (who were selling the vaccine at cost price, by the way), just because it was a UK company

 

[UKSmartyPants]

Brexit has fucked me over big time. I have lived and traveled extensively in the EU. My work depends to a large extent on having the freedom to move and live in the EU. All this has gone. My current and future life, the life of my wife, is now pretty much fucked.

I am looking at, and studying for, becoming a Spanish citizenship. Just so I can live how I have for the vast majority of my life.

I am now and always will be European.

It is very hard to not be very angry with the Brexit voters.

well the problem is you want your cake and you want to eat it. I moved here striaght after brexit vote, and now live in Alicante, and I voted for brexit. That was against my interests, but i put country first. MY interests have now been covered by getting residentia, and moving to Spain lock stock and barrel. Your interests and the UK's interests aren't hard to reconcile, if you are intellectually honest.

The fact is a lot of remainers voted remain out of personal interest, rather than considering the best interests of their home country. Most Brexiteers, however, voted for the best interests of the Uk as a whole. Wanting the benefits of living in the Uk and being able to swan about making money in the poor parts of europe involved an arrangement that was destroying the UK.

 

[MysteryGuest]

Yes but what do you think about the Cranberries? I think they're a shit band of history myself ...

 

[MysteryGuest]

Just like you're a shit troll in the here and now tbh...

 

[Supine]

Doh ofc it did. If we had been in the Eu we'd have had to stand in the queue with the other 28 members and waited and waited and waited and waited while Von Leyden and her band of EU hobgoblins made a complete hash of negotiating with the Pharmas, resulting in most of the Eu being two to three months behind the UK on their vaccine rollouts, not withstanding several Eu members states gave up on the Eu eventually and started their own procurement processes. And we won't even go into the excess deaths caused by Von Leydens absurd narcissist and racist political posturing and attacks on AZ, (who were selling the vaccine at cost price, by the way), just because it was a UK company

Oh great, another new member. Talking bollocks with the best of them

 

[The39thStep]

You taking piss or serious? Brexit had no influence on the UK's vaccine procurement. None.

How terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to the wise, Johnny?


“The United Kingdom has chosen the path of emergency marketing authorisations, we have chosen another,” Mrs von der Leyen told a group of European newspaper

“Alone, a country can be a speedboat, while the EU is more like a tanker,” Mrs von der Leyen said.

'The best advert for Brexit': European press reacts to EU Covid vaccine row

Continental newspapers give harsh verdicts on the European commission’s actions

www.theguardian.com

 

[Supine]

How terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to the wise, Johnny?


“The United Kingdom has chosen the path of emergency marketing authorisations, we have chosen another,” Mrs von der Leyen told a group of European newspaper

“Alone, a country can be a speedboat, while the EU is more like a tanker,” Mrs von der Leyen said.

'The best advert for Brexit': European press reacts to EU Covid vaccine row

Continental newspapers give harsh verdicts on the European commission’s actions

www.theguardian.com

all very well - but the proposition is that brexit allowed the uk to do things differently.

This argument falls down as 1. The uk had not left at that point 2. Joint procurement was optional for members so uk could always have done whatever they wanted in purchasing 3. Emergency use authorisation has always been for member states to decide independently. So brexit cannot be used as a way of helping…

 

[The39thStep]

all very well - but the proposition is that brexit allowed the uk to do things differently.

This argument falls down as 1. The uk had not left at that point 2. Joint procurement was optional for members so uk could always have done whatever they wanted in purchasing 3. Emergency use authorisation has always been for member states to decide independently. So brexit cannot be used as a way of helping…

Great pity you didn't inform the EU that at the time , it could have changed their entire communications strategy and correct the 'false 'impression that the European media gave out on a daily basis that it was Brexit that enabled the UK to both purchase and roll out the vaccine earlier and more quickly and that the EU had been too slow , too and too cautious.
I have always found it odd that hard core UK remainers have a completely different and rosy coloured view of the EU than most Europeans that support the EU.

 

[krtek a houby]

well the problem is you want your cake and you want to eat it. I moved here striaght after brexit vote, and now live in Alicante, and I voted for brexit. That was against my interests, but i put country first. MY interests have now been covered by getting residentia, and moving to Spain lock stock and barrel. Your interests and the UK's interests aren't hard to reconcile, if you are intellectually honest.

The fact is a lot of remainers voted remain out of personal interest, rather than considering the best interests of their home country. Most Brexiteers, however, voted for the best interests of the Uk as a whole. Wanting the benefits of living in the Uk and being able to swan about making money in the poor parts of europe involved an arrangement that was destroying the UK.

You voted and then ran away to eat your cake elsewhere, eh.

Country first. Lol.

 

[two sheds]

it voted and then /checks notes/ ran away

 

[The39thStep]

well the problem is you want your cake and you want to eat it. I moved here striaght after brexit vote, and now live in Alicante, and I voted for brexit. That was against my interests, but i put country first. MY interests have now been covered by getting residentia, and moving to Spain lock stock and barrel. Your interests and the UK's interests aren't hard to reconcile, if you are intellectually honest.

The fact is a lot of remainers voted remain out of personal interest, rather than considering the best interests of their home country. Most Brexiteers, however, voted for the best interests of the Uk as a whole. Wanting the benefits of living in the Uk and being able to swan about making money in the poor parts of europe involved an arrangement that was destroying the UK.

Tremendous self sacrifice there pal.

 

[Pickman's model]

well the problem is you want your cake and you want to eat it. I moved here striaght after brexit vote, and now live in Alicante, and I voted for brexit. That was against my interests, but i put country first. MY interests have now been covered by getting residentia, and moving to Spain lock stock and barrel. Your interests and the UK's interests aren't hard to reconcile, if you are intellectually honest.

The fact is a lot of remainers voted remain out of personal interest, rather than considering the best interests of their home country. Most Brexiteers, however, voted for the best interests of the Uk as a whole. Wanting the benefits of living in the Uk and being able to swan about making money in the poor parts of europe involved an arrangement that was destroying the UK.

I am glad you realised your country's interests best served by your leaving it

 

[Badgers]

 

[Supine]

Great pity you didn't inform the EU that at the time , it could have changed their entire communications strategy and correct the 'false 'impression that the European media gave out on a daily basis that it was Brexit that enabled the UK to both purchase and roll out the vaccine earlier and more quickly and that the EU had been too slow , too and too cautious.
I have always found it odd that hard core UK remainers have a completely different and rosy coloured view of the EU than most Europeans that support the EU.

I don’t know or particularly care what their comms strategy was. What I have mentioned is the facts.

In terms of roll out speed there were also a number of factors and none of them were political so brexit was also irrelevant. This included oxford uni going ahead with clinical trials and batch mfg at risk ahead of funding agreements. Also during the tech transfer of AZ to other manufacturing sites there were some lower than expected initial yields in eu factories (a run of mill manufacturing challenge that again isnt brexit related).

 

[Badgers]

 

[The39thStep]

I don’t know or particularly care what their comms strategy was. What I have mentioned is the facts.

In terms of roll out speed there were also a number of factors and none of them were political so brexit was also irrelevant. This included oxford uni going ahead with clinical trials and batch mfg at risk ahead of funding agreements. Also during the tech transfer of AZ to other manufacturing sites there were some lower than expected initial yields in eu factories (a run of mill manufacturing challenge that again isnt brexit related).

True Faith

 

[UKSmartyPants]

You voted and then ran away to eat your cake elsewhere, eh.

Country first. Lol.

no, i was planning retiring to Spain anyway, the difference was whether you seriously commit yourself and took Spanish residentia/citizen ship, or just played at it, rather than trying to live in the Uk and flit back and forth - thats wanting your cake and eating it. Wanting the benefits of both with neither of the disadvantages. . The latter option, being the reason a lot of remainers voted remain, cost the Uk as a whole too much.

 

[UKSmartyPants]

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You dump the neighbours who are screwing you and robbing you, and set up trade deals with £2T with the rest of the planet, which benefits you more in the long run, and returns your sovereignty to you. The Uk economy is now racing ahead.

The EU, on the other hand, is a dead duck, Its share of world GPD, which was 32% in 1972, has shrunk every year since then and now is 16% and continues to shrink. Or trad with the Eu, on the other hand is 20% down and continuing to shrink, mainly because of EU intransigence on rules, as complained about by many Eu companies. Not to mention the French, who, having plundered about £2B worth of fish out our waters in 43 years, suddenly find the fish money tree is closed.....

The UK had a trade deficit with the EU of £51 billion in 2020 and a trade surplus of £43 billion with non-EU countries. ergo we need to be trading with the outside world. that makes us money. Not the eu.

Trade: Key Economic Indicators - House of Commons Library

Latest statistics on UK's trade performance and balance of payments

commonslibrary.parliament.uk

 

[Pickman's model]

no, i was planning retiring to Spain anyway, the difference was whether you seriously commit yourself and took Spanish residentia/citizen ship, or just played at it, rather than trying to live in the Uk and flit back and forth - thats wanting your cake and eating it. Wanting the benefits of both with neither of the disadvantages. . The latter option, being the reason a lot of remainers voted remain, cost the Uk as a whole too much.

If you're committing yourself to Spain I'm sure you won't want to cost the UK money by taking your pension out of it

 

[krtek a houby]

no, i was planning retiring to Spain anyway, the difference was whether you seriously commit yourself and took Spanish residentia/citizen ship, or just played at it, rather than trying to live in the Uk and flit back and forth - thats wanting your cake and eating it. Wanting the benefits of both with neither of the disadvantages. . The latter option, being the reason a lot of remainers voted remain, cost the Uk as a whole too much.

Keepin it real. Uh huh.

 

[Badgers]

Wanker

 

[Pickman's model]

You dump the neighbours who are screwing you and robbing you, and set up trade deals with £2T with the rest of the planet, which benefits you more in the long run, and returns your sovereignty to you. The Uk economy is now racing ahead.

The EU, on the other hand, is a dead duck, Its share of world GPD, which was 32% in 1972, has shrunk every year since then and now is 16% and continues to shrink. Or trad with the Eu, on the other hand is 20% down and continuing to shrink, mainly because of EU intransigence on rules, as complained about by many Eu companies. Not to mention the French, who, having plundered about £2B worth of fish out our waters in 43 years, suddenly find the fish money tree is closed.....

The UK had a trade deficit with the EU of £51 billion in 2020 and a trade surplus of £43 billion with non-EU countries. ergo we need to be trading with the outside world. that makes us money. Not the eu.

Trade: Key Economic Indicators - House of Commons Library

Latest statistics on UK's trade performance and balance of payments

commonslibrary.parliament.uk

The EU share of world GDP in 1972 was 0%

 

[krtek a houby]

UKS... marty... Pants...

 

[nogojones]

You voted and then ran away to eat your cake elsewhere, eh.

Country first. Lol.

Is it called Jamon, when you do gammon like things then fuck off to the Costa del Sol?