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A thank you to Brexiteers.

UKSmartyPants said:
well the problem is you want your cake and you want to eat it. I moved here striaght after brexit vote, and now live in Alicante, and I voted for brexit. That was against my interests, but i put country first. MY interests have now been covered by getting residentia, and moving to Spain lock stock and barrel. Your interests and the UK's interests aren't hard to reconcile, if you are intellectually honest.

The fact is a lot of remainers voted remain out of personal interest, rather than considering the best interests of their home country. Most Brexiteers, however, voted for the best interests of the Uk as a whole. Wanting the benefits of living in the Uk and being able to swan about making money in the poor parts of europe involved an arrangement that was destroying the UK.
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When you voted brexit what plan did you have for the land border in Ireland?
 
Pickman's model said:
If you're committing yourself to Spain I'm sure you won't want to cost the UK money by taking your pension out of it
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Why shouldn't I? . A pension isnt a benefit, its contractually obligatory payout on a matured insurance policy, thats why the insurance premium payments are called' national insurance contributions'. And the pot of money is the property of everyone that has paid into it, it does not belong to the Government. I could equally argue you have no right to claim off your house insurance if you are burgled when you are out the country.

Really, you are wheeling out some hoary old chestnuts here, arent you?
 
UKSmartyPants said:
Why shouldn't I? . A pension isnt a benefit, its contractually obligatory payout on a matured insurance policy, thats why the insurance premium payments are called' national insurance contributions'. And the pot of money is the property of everyone that has paid into it, it does not belong to the Government. I could equally argue you have no right to claim off your house insurance if you are burgled when you are out the country.

Really, you are wheeling out some hoary old chestnuts here, arent you?
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Go on then

I'm sure you can link to this contract you claim exists too. Not sure why you've introduced this but about who the money belongs to, but I'm sure you'll enlighten me
 
Pickman's model said:
The EU share of world GDP in 1972 was 0%
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EU........EEC.........Iron and Steel Federation...... Hair-splitting. It is de facto the same body in different clothes. I really hate hair-splitters and grammar nazis, they are both lefty tactics by people really with nothing to contribute. Its smacks of a desperate attempt to get into a thread with nothing to actually contribute.
 
UKSmartyPants said:
EU........EEC.........Iron and Steel Federation...... Hair-splitting. It is de facto the same body in different clothes. I really hate hair-splitters and grammar nazis, they are both lefty tactics by people really with nothing to contribute. Its smacks of a desperate attempt to get into a thread with nothing to actually contribute.
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It's not the same body. The brexit campaign made a great deal of capital pointing out that the ever closer union of the EU was greatly different from the common market trading bloc which heath took the UK into.
 
Pickman's model said:
Go on then

I'm sure you can link to this contract you claim exists too. Not sure why you've introduced this but about who the money belongs to, but I'm sure you'll enlighten me
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well why dont you consider what "Contracting Out" of the pension means, and what the opposite is.......

Why dont you read this, and take note of the language in it......

Pensions in the national accounts, a fuller picture of the UK’s funded and unfunded pension obligations - Office for National Statistics

Estimates of the total entitlement of households in the UK and abroad to pensions provided by UK government, pension funds and insurance companies.
www.ons.gov.uk

"This article presents estimates of the total entitlement of households in the UK and abroad to pensions provided by the UK government, pension funds and insurance companies. These are also the total obligations, or gross liabilities, of UK pension providers. The article includes estimates for State Pensions and breakdowns by whether pensions are funded or unfunded and defined contribution or defined benefit. The estimates are compiled for national accounts Table 29: Accrued-to-date pension entitlements in social insurance, which is being published by all EU countries for 2015. For the UK, the years 2010 to 2014 are also provided."

all pensions have a contract attached to them somewhere......or they wouldnt be legal.....and thers the killer phrase.. social insurance Public and state founded on a principle of Trusts, using laws established by statute in the 18th and 19th century, and are nightmarishly complex.
 
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UKSmartyPants said:
well why dont you consider what "Contracting Out" of the pension means, and what the opposite is.......

Why dont you read this, and take note of the language in it......

Pensions in the national accounts, a fuller picture of the UK’s funded and unfunded pension obligations - Office for National Statistics

Estimates of the total entitlement of households in the UK and abroad to pensions provided by UK government, pension funds and insurance companies.
www.ons.gov.uk

"This article presents estimates of the total entitlement of households in the UK and abroad to pensions provided by the UK government, pension funds and insurance companies. These are also the total obligations, or gross liabilities, of UK pension providers. The article includes estimates for State Pensions and breakdowns by whether pensions are funded or unfunded and defined contribution or defined benefit. The estimates are compiled for national accounts Table 29: Accrued-to-date pension entitlements in social insurance, which is being published by all EU countries for 2015. For the UK, the years 2010 to 2014 are also provided."
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I'm not seeing anything there about the argument you said you could make

I see you can't produce the contract. Such a pity
 
The39thStep said:
Unite ( the trade union) statement on food labour shortages

www.unitetheunion.org

Supermarkets must take responsibility for HGV and food labour shortages

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www.unitetheunion.org www.unitetheunion.org
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Well, that's just ridiculous. isn't it?

All the important industry bosses and their organisations have been unanimous in telling us that all the problems in all their industries are nothing to do with them and are totally because of Brexit.

I can't think of a single reason why they would lie, after all, they not only know best but obviously have the best interests of their workers and their customers at heart, and only a conspiraloon would suggest otherwise.

The only reason Unite are pretending it's not all to do with Brexit is because, just like the BBC, they don't want to criticise the government.
 
Pickman's model said:
It's not the same body. The brexit campaign made a great deal of capital pointing out that the ever closer union of the EU was greatly different from the common market trading bloc which heath took the UK into.
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It was the same bureaucrats operating from the same buildings, and working to the same plan.
 
bimble said:
UKSmartyPants would you have been able to do your move to spain after brexit happened (with the new rules about how much money you need to have coming in every month etc)? Or did you have to eat your cake quickly sort of thing.
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Nobody knew what any new rules would be until Jan this year, which was more than 5 years after the vote. So we just carried on as normal. Since you have no crystal ball, you couldn't have made a judgement so the speculation is irrelevant. I was the correct age and income to move when i did. And thats all you can say. No one including you or me could have speculated in 2016 what the rules were going to be 5 years later, and everyone including you had 5 years to move. f you sat there gnashing your teeth about what might be, then thats your inaction. Carpe Diem.
 
UKSmartyPants said:
EU........EEC.........Iron and Steel Federation...... Hair-splitting. It is de facto the same body in different clothes. I really hate hair-splitters and grammar nazis, they are both lefty tactics by people really with nothing to contribute. Its smacks of a desperate attempt to get into a thread with nothing to actually contribute.
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Lefty tactics?

Why did you come back in the thinnest of disguises?
 
UKSmartyPants said:
Nobody knew what any new rules would be until Jan this year, which was more than 5 years after the vote. So we just carried on as normal. Since you have no crystal ball, you couldn't have made a judgement so the speculation is irrelevant. I was the correct age and income to move when i did. And thats all you can say. No one including you or me could have speculated in 2016 what the rules were going to be 5 years later, and everyone including you had 5 years to move. f you sat there gnashing your teeth about what might be, then thats your inaction. Carpe Diem.
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Jan this year was 4 and a half years after the vote . Not more than 5.

Your time keeping needs working on.
 
Supine said:
And now my pub is shut because of staff shortages
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I'm sure pub landlords / landladies used to take their job a little more seriously once upon a time. When I ran a pub I expected to cover staff shortages myself. Frequent 18-hour days. Alcoholics need booze! It's not a business, it's a social service.

ska invita said:
Lack of care workers this winter sounds a total disaster resulting in deaths
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I'm not blaming brexit there. I'm blaming rapacious care companies who won't pay a fair wage, successive governments not caring enough to intervene in the sector, and huge numbers of British people who want a job but "couldn't do that kind of work".
 
mojo pixy said:
I'm not blaming brexit there. I'm blaming rapacious care companies who won't pay a fair wage, successive governments not caring enough to intervene in the sector, and huge numbers of British people who want a job but "couldn't do that kind of work".
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Agreed. But a brexit based on lies and mishandled pandemic has caused this situation in the short term.
 
ska invita said:
Lack of care workers this winter sounds a total disaster resulting in deaths
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lack of care workers, like lack of other workers such as crop picking and hospitality ,is because the industries affected chose to exploit cheap foreign labour, and offer pittance wages the English wouldn't work for, but were ea fortune if you were Romanian or Somalian. However, the laws of Supply and Demand work both ways. If these people are complaining of a shortage of workers they are lying, there's only a shortage of people willing to work for insultingly bad wages and conditions. These moaners might find if they start offering a liveable wage, they might attract some staff. The Transport industry has just clicked onto this fact. No sympathy. The days of getting fat from exploiting third world slave labour has gone.

And while we are on the subject, the Labour Party was supposed to stand up for the rights and conditions of the working class, instead they stood by and did nothing while Blair flooded the country with the aforementioned cheap foreign slave labour, and Blair's successors also did nothing, up to and including the Marxist Corbyn. This represents the biggest betrayal of the English working class since the creation of the Labour Party. And the main reason labour will never win power, because they stopped representing the best interests of their core voters. Under labour, millions of permanent contract jobs were turned in agency or zero hours jobs on far worse conditions, lower wages and no job security.

Im from Lincolnshire, if you drove round Boston area ten years ago, all those people picking the crops in the fields were either illegal immigrants or east Europeans paid peanuts. and the Gangers were either Irish, or Poles. Occasionally you see Immigration vans turn up at a field, and the pickers would all scatter. You couldn't even get a job with the processing factories like Geest, unless you spoke fluent Polish. Not that it mattered, because they would only advertise the jobs in Poland anyway.

And the Unions and Labour said nothing.
 
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