A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Who said they couldn’t see it coming? The government didn’t want Brexit to happen as they knew it would be a shit show but it was the will of the people, so here we are.
bimble
floofy
Yeah but in the years since the referendum they didn't start doing any of the stuff they're scrambling to do now, to grow more British lorry drivers. It appears they didn't see it coming as an issue until the empty shelves happened. European Research Group must have been busy with other very useful stuff.
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The last 5 years have seen endless infighting just like we see here. It’s not surprising that they have had little time to focus on how to deal with the real problems at hand. And there are no easy answers to deal with the problems they have created for themselves and with their current ideological approach I cannot see them ever being solved any time soon.
Gramsci
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BBC Radio 4 - The Briefing Room, Where Are All the Workers?
As the economy opens up again, is the UK short of workers?
This I thought was a fair look at workforce post Brexit.
Brexit is not the main problem longterm.
On lorry drivers. One of the people in programme said for years that business had not invested in training its workers. Then complained it could not get people with right skills.
Lorry driving is an example. To be a fully qualified HGV lorry driver costs a lot. This puts off a lot of people. Once qualified the conditions of work are poor. Basic stuff like somewhere to wash and toilets.
The training is over three grand and that's a lot for many people.
Also to be an HGV driver one must pay for regular training post being qualified to remain able to drive. According to programme there are a lot of people who haven't kept up. Left the industry. If they were encouraged back there wouldn't be a problem.
Which points to not Brexit but:
Business not paying for training.
Poor conditions of work
Leading to people not staying in the job long term as a career.
Got the impression from the programme that in end its not a lack of workforce but the recent decades of poor employment practises, unwillingness of business to invest and retain workers that is a big problem.
Im not a lorry driver but I'd say this kind of If you don't like it here go somewhere else attitude is endemic to British business. Bosses then moan they can't get the staff.
Even one of the people in the programme said he's tired of hearing British business complain when they won't invest in training.
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That is just Covid. All the EU members have their armies bailing out their political failures.
#ToryScum
ska invita
back on the other side
Tbf there was a government policy formed.. . It even had a catchy Cummings style slogan: Fuck Business
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Boris Johnson interpreted that slogan as “have an affair with Jennifer Acuri”
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The British army will never bail us out by putting the ruling class against the wall
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
I just don't know what to believe any more. Over the weekend, partly out of curiosity but partly from necessity, I ended up visiting a Lidl, an Aldi, a Tesco, a Sainsbury’s and two Morrisons, all spread across three towns (Newton Abbot, Paignton, Torquay - sorry, four towns. Include Teignmouth). Not a single empty shelf in any of them, as far as I could tell.
I'm not saying there aren't empty shelves somewhere, but I'm not seeing them .. yet. I'm not even feeling smug, just a little confused. If those supermarkets can stock their branches here in South Devon, miles beyond the end of the M5, how come they can't manage to stock .. wherever the reports of empty shelves are coming from?
I'm beginning to suspect people are still over-buying / panic buying in places, and that empty shelves are mainly to do with that. But that's a mere opinion, based on subjective experience and not 'data'.
I'm not saying there aren't empty shelves somewhere, but I'm not seeing them .. yet. I'm not even feeling smug, just a little confused. If those supermarkets can stock their branches here in South Devon, miles beyond the end of the M5, how come they can't manage to stock .. wherever the reports of empty shelves are coming from?
I'm beginning to suspect people are still over-buying / panic buying in places, and that empty shelves are mainly to do with that. But that's a mere opinion, based on subjective experience and not 'data'.
bimble
floofy
It is very weird, the patchiness of the supply issue.
I have no idea why it would be really obvious where i am and not where you are. Probably just down to individual drivers, on particular regular routes, down to who has left and who has stayed in their jobs?
There's absolutely nobody who lives where i do (in the two nearby towns i mean, with one large supermarket and a couple of smaller ones in each town) who hasn't been well aware of the problem for many weeks now. It has become normal to just wait and see, not expect to be able to get all the stuff on yr shopping list and adapt to what is available. Time of day makes no difference either.
Personally I'm not someone who cares deeply about food or needs to find very particular ingredients for my planned meals or anything so am not massively bothered by it but if you did need to get specific stuff on a specific day i imagine you'd be having a bad time.
I have no idea why it would be really obvious where i am and not where you are. Probably just down to individual drivers, on particular regular routes, down to who has left and who has stayed in their jobs?
There's absolutely nobody who lives where i do (in the two nearby towns i mean, with one large supermarket and a couple of smaller ones in each town) who hasn't been well aware of the problem for many weeks now. It has become normal to just wait and see, not expect to be able to get all the stuff on yr shopping list and adapt to what is available. Time of day makes no difference either.
Personally I'm not someone who cares deeply about food or needs to find very particular ingredients for my planned meals or anything so am not massively bothered by it but if you did need to get specific stuff on a specific day i imagine you'd be having a bad time.
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bimble
floofy
My empty shelves are in a good solid Leave county! (50.7 per cent leave, 49.3 remoan , which is not resounding but still).Horn of plenty in the Tory/Brexity areas...famine in the (continuity) remoaner zones...see what they're doing here?
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It is only amazing to people new to reading the comments under reports
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Under the patriotic national average...so punishment beating for you remoaniacs.
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Starry Wisdom
I think more people than usual are preparing kill rooms -- how else to explain the lack of cling film, bin bags, electric steak knives and bleach in the dalston Sainsbury's?
bimble
floofy
The bit i cant fathom is why do these people think that this government, the Get Brexit Done government, and the daily mail etc, would be joining in the remoaner fake news about there being a problem.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The thing I can't fathom is why you think the comments genuine
bimble
floofy
I see. Are the ones on here fake too? All the many posts this past several weeks saying the problem does not exist, you're imagining it or its just that the truck broke down etc?
bimble
floofy
If brexit takes away my roast potatoes i will never forgive or forget.
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk
Brexit, floods and Covid could lead to shortages of chips and roast potatoes in UK
Experts are predicting that the UK could face a shortage of chips and roast potatoes, as a result of the major flooding which hit Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands last month.
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Starry Wisdom
Frankly the problem as you term it seems to be partial rather than general, in that it isn't affecting everyone or everything and it isn't constant. One day there's no San Pellegrino fruit drinks in Waitrose, the next you can't obtain murder supplies in dalston and on the third there's no quinoa in marks and Spencer. Yet throughout the shelves in independents are replete.
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