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A thank you to Brexiteers.

I quite enjoy switching phone providers. I've done it 3 times in 2 years, and I'll probably be doing it again very soon. It's quite painless really, rather like cooking something different.

I've been with the same provider for over 20 years. Orange/EE. Every time they do something I don't like, I ring them up and threaten to leave. They pretty much always let me off.
 
I've been with the same provider for over 20 years. Orange/EE. Every time they do something I don't like, I ring them up and threaten to leave. They pretty much always let me off.
I only moved because a few providers decided to get into a pricing war. I'm now paying €10/month for unlimited* everything.

*apparently, 'unlimited' actually means limited with data. Probably something to do with Brexit.
 
At least the #ToryScum had confirmed that the army will not be needed to bail out a failing Brexit :thumbs:

I noticed a thing in a newspaper about the army when on manoeuvres recently in the usa, a big operation apparently, they ran out of ammunition after a few days. Don't know if brexit was blamed. Fuck knows how they'd fair in any real situation.
 
This is brilliant stuff. The SNP helped usher Thatcher in by refusing to back Callaghan’s government in a confidence vote in March 1979. 43 years later they reprise Thatcher’s seminal poster from that election in support of rejoining the neo-liberal EU. As I’ve said before it’s only a matter of time before pro-EU elements line up four square alongside their fellow europhiles - the bosses - to attack pay rises and lamenting the good old days of endless supplies of exploited cheap labour. The trajectory is clear.

 
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As a Remainer I thought my post 5140 here was showing that Neo Liberalism was something dominant in this country that had little to do with being in the EU.

Whilst I agree the way the EU has gone on is Neo Liberal. So has the British State independently of EU. UK wasn't in the Euro so had more control.

Going back to lorry drivers and lack of them. Point of my post is this wasn't really about being in EU. It was about this country adopting Thatcherism.
 
This is brilliant stuff. The SNP helped usher Thatcher in by refusing to back Callaghan’s government in a confidence vote in March 1979. 43 years later they reprise Thatcher’s seminal poster from that election in support of rejoining the neo-liberal EU. As I’ve said before it’s only a matter of time before pro-EU elements line up four square alongside their fellow europhiles - the bosses - to attack pay rises and lamenting the good old days of endless supplies of exploited cheap labour. The trajectory is clear.


Scottish independence will mean joining the EU. Scottish voters voted remain 2 to 1 iirc.
As indyref 2 gets closer the issue of joining the EU does likewise. It makes sense the SNP are laying the groundwork for that now.

As an aside it would be interesting to know what's happening with Scottish fishing now and in the near future. Last I heard the Tories were temporarily subsidising it
 
As a Remainer I thought my post 5140 here was showing that Neo Liberalism was something dominant in this country that had little to do with being in the EU.

Whilst I agree the way the EU has gone on is Neo Liberal. So has the British State independently of EU. UK wasn't in the Euro so had more control.

Going back to lorry drivers and lack of them. Point of my post is this wasn't really about being in EU. It was about this country adopting Thatcherism.

Socialist utopia any day now we've left the EU.

I'm well aware the EU are bastards but the reason I voted remain is because one look over the last 30 years is enough to tell you that the UK is far more eager to embarce full deregulated capitalism and I'd rather be trapped in the EU than trapped in brave new world UK
 
Socialist utopia any day now we've left the EU.
Indeed, it's well known the UK was a socialist utopia with top quality housing, jobs and pay right up until the point we joined the common market. It's been down hill since then.

Johnson campaigned for leave because he's a well known socialist and he wants to take Britain back to the socialist utopia it once was. It's why he got a huge majority in 2019 and why that well known neo liberal pig dog, Corbyn got a thrashing.
 
Socialist utopia any day now we've left the EU.

I'm well aware the EU are bastards but the reason I voted remain is because one look over the last 30 years is enough to tell you that the UK is far more eager to embarce full deregulated capitalism and I'd rather be trapped in the EU than trapped in brave new world UK
What would you think of being trapped in the future EU that ska invita posed even though there is an argument that this hell wouldn't necessarily be base on further deregulation of capital.

 
What would you think of being trapped in the future EU that ska invita posed even though there is an argument that this hell wouldn't necessarily be base on further deregulation of capital.


It'd be shit, but Farage and co spent 2010-16 thoroughly in bed and coalitions in the EU parliaments with the far-right lunatics of Hungary and elsewhere so a wary eye on the coalition of the Brexit cheerleaders means that there is no entirely good choice, just less shit ones.
 
Indeed, it's well known the UK was a socialist utopia with top quality housing, jobs and pay right up until the point we joined the common market. It's been down hill since then.

The closest Britain has ever got to full employment, strong economic growth, rising wages and collective bargaining covering most of industry was 6 years before we joined the Common Market. Now, of course, the series of development that would occur in the 1970's would have put all of that under massive pressure regardless of the UK joining the common market or not, but then that's not the point you were (wrongly) seeking to make is it?
 
It'd be shit, but Farage and co spent 2010-16 thoroughly in bed and coalitions in the EU parliaments with the far-right lunatics of Hungary and elsewhere so a wary eye on the coalition of the Brexit cheerleaders means that there is no entirely good choice, just less shit ones.
It's interesting though that what remaining in the EU is to some in the UK isn't the same as staying in the EU is to some in Europe especially to a large section of EU based political parties.
 
The closest Britain has ever got to full employment, strong economic growth, rising wages and collective bargaining covering most of industry was 6 years before we joined the Common Market. Now, of course, the series of development that would occur in the 1970's would have put all of that under massive pressure regardless of the UK joining the common market or not, but then that's not the point you were (wrongly) seeking to make is it?
Yes, thank you spokesman for the working class. I'm aware of the history. No, it wasn't the point I was seeking to make.
 
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